A tricky hand on final table with TT

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Final table of CC freeroll ....

there are only 8 players left!

payout structure is

1st 30
2nd 20
3rd 12
4th 10
5th 8
6th 6
7th 5
8th 4

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I am the shortstck on the table ranking the 8th!

the chips are as fllows

UTG 15K
UTG+1 me 8.4K
MP 8.9K
low jack 18K
high jack 20K
button 14K
small blind 37K
big blind 24K

blinds are 400/800 with antes 80 for each person

UTG folds

I hold TcTh [8.4K]= 10bb
min raise from UTG+1

and MP who holds [8.9K]=11bb? he shoves all in!

there are about 12K in the pot, I have about 6.8K left to call!


so do u call and what range do u put him on?

I actually put him to be like big Ace, or 99+ pairs....

so I think if there are about 40% equity I could call this pot..is that correct?

what do u guys think, and how to consider something like ICM adjust or what ever!


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BTW: MP is a new player, there is no reads on him....:p


thank you for any comment....!
 
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shove preflop all day long, dont raise, just shove, as played, you got to call
 
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You could min raise with at least, 20-25 BB, short as you were, i think you shoulda shove.
You gonna run in higher pairs/be forced to call for a race by two overs anyway/be outflopped combined for too many times/percentages of hands to make it bad ev play in long run, plus, position.
Might maybe minraise tens on, button, and then call bigger stacks playing back at you much happier, or seeing a flop and deciding from there if you are confident enough in your post flop play against current table/small and big blind.
But as played, sure you had to call for rest.
 
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With 10.5bb, just shove. Minraising is just begging for someone to shove behind you.

Good news is that people shove pretty light in general with short stacks (and shove even lighter in FRs because they just don't give a flying toss), so your tens are good an overwhelming amount of the time. Just call.
 
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I'm always late to these questions....

He's got the same range you do. He's shoving with almost any pocket pair and Big Aces - maybe even KQ. You should have shoved preflop rather than min raise. With your preflop shove, he may have folded, saving you this decision.

As it is...call and take your chances.
 
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He's got the same range you do. He's shoving with almost any pocket pair and Big Aces - maybe even KQ.
Dude, this is a freeroll. The odds the other guy plays TAG or knows anything about the game are at best moderately small. He'll shove shitloads lighter than that.
 
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Dude, this is a freeroll. The odds the other guy plays TAG or knows anything about the game are at best moderately small. He'll shove shitloads lighter than that.

I would agree with this normally but it was a CC (Cardschat) freeroll. So it's prob. a tougher field than most 10$ buyins :p
 
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I would agree with this normally but it was a CC (Cardschat) freeroll. So it's prob. a tougher field than most 10$ buyins :p

Oh it is?

I didn't notice. Nevermind then. :D
 
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Pocket 10s is a shove all day long.
 
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Everyone is saying push and I believe that is a good idea but there is another option you could use. Raise 4 or 5x the blinds (half your stack) this will show more strength in your hand and less likely to be pushed by the weaker hands because with that many of your chips committed the other players will expect a call and would often only go all in if they feel they have you beat. I would only min raise in that hand if I had AA wanting it to turn out like it did with the tens.
 
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Everyone is saying push and I believe that is a good idea but there is another option you could use. Raise 4 or 5x the blinds (half your stack) this will show more strength in your hand and less likely to be pushed by the weaker hands because with that many of your chips committed the other players will expect a call and would often only go all in if they feel they have you beat.
The problem with that approach is that it entices a call from like KQs/AQ/AK type hands, whereas a shove will be called exclusively by JJ+, which Villain is substantially less likely to be holding. Plus you could get in trouble if they decide to re-shove, because they usually either have KK+ (in which case you need to fold and eat the loss), or they could be semibluffing with a coordinated hand like QJs, in which case you just gave away some free chips because the risk of the former is usually too great.

There's a reason why the shortstack is shove/fold territory. If you go in with anything less than a shove, it gives Villain the chance to shove over the top on you and take the initiative, which always puts you in an awkward spot.
 
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no no no never ever raise/fold. raise/call is also stupid because its so unbalanced. 1010 will get called by worse here, and we dont want to try make better fold cause it will never ever ever happen.
 
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Everyone is saying push and I believe that is a good idea but there is another option you could use. Raise 4 or 5x the blinds (half your stack) this will show more strength in your hand and less likely to be pushed by the weaker hands because with that many of your chips committed the other players will expect a call and would often only go all in if they feel they have you beat. I would only min raise in that hand if I had AA wanting it to turn out like it did with the tens.

the problem with this tho is if any face card shows they can raise and it's pretty much an automatic fold even if they didnt pair up. I'd definitely say push PF. I'd be putting him on any A
 
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Everyone is saying push and I believe that is a good idea but there is another option you could use. Raise 4 or 5x the blinds (half your stack) this will show more strength in your hand and less likely to be pushed by the weaker hands because with that many of your chips committed the other players will expect a call and would often only go all in if they feel they have you beat. I would only min raise in that hand if I had AA wanting it to turn out like it did with the tens.

What do you do when you get flatted by 1-2 players and 2 overs hit. Surely you aren't raising half your stack to fold otf? Also you shouldn't be changing your bet sizing based on your hole cards, its exploitable.

You have 10bbs and damn near the top of your range. Gii.
 
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The problem here is that you opened the pot w/o a plan on a guy you have no info on. With this being said, shove pre and avoid the headache.
 
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SS, final table utg+1, pair 8+ or really any pr if you are gonna play, SHOVE!! And hope for the best. You don't have enough to OUTPLAY anyone, IMHO!! GL!!
 
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thanks for ev1, learns a lot ....Lol
 
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you have 10bb this is a pretty easy snap call.
 
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If you were willing to play it, you should be willing to shove with it. TT in that position is actually not a horrible hand, and considering your alternatives (about 6 hands before you blind out) this is probably the best place to get you money in and hope for a double up.

As a bonus for you, it's the next smallest stack that shoved, so you have a chance to more or less take them out if you win. They would have basically 1 or 2 BB left, raising you up the results table.

I should point out too that the money difference between 8th to 5th isn't enough to make you want to desperately hold on.
 
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YOU definitely should shove this hand
 
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10 BBs im shovin a lot lighter than tens.
 
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