Is this a shove?

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Probably shoulda gone for it, but maybe thats hindsight
 
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With only 5bb and an open ended straight draw, i'd have been tempted to shove after the flop, but maybe I'm just crazy
 
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If its in the early stages of the tournament, id probably shove... but if its in the bubble time stages, id probably fold and use my remaining stack wisely to reach itm. :)
 
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It would've been better to find a spot to shove way before you got down to 6 BBs. 5 after you posted the BB.

In this situation, given my stack size and how much dead money is in the pot, I shove PF with my remaining 5 BBs. Theres 4100 in the pot and thats ~95% of your remaining stack. So, picking that up would be huge.

5 BBs might be just enough fold equity since no one has really shown any strength preflop. And there is also the concern that if a player cold calls your shove, another player behind them might 3bet. So, that could deter a player from cold calling with a marginal hand. So, there is a chance you could pick it up preflop.

And if you are called, unless a player a PP, you aren't too bad of shape. There aren't a lot of hands with a 5 or 2 that is going to comfortable call you here after limping in, except for maybe 55 or A5s. Maybe 56s, but probably only by player 9 since they have the largest stack. And that might be a bit loose. The other players probably wouldn't as calling with 56s is risking a huge chunk of their stack with just 6 high. So, you pretty much have live cards and against any non-paired hands that doesn't include a 5 or 2 (again, not a lot of hand combinations your opponent will call you with that include this), you have ~35% equity. Even if your opponent limped in with AQ vs your 25, you have 35% equity. That's enough for me to get it all in to either take it down preflop or hopefully isolate with 1 player.

It's a bit risky and others may not agree with that, but if I'm down to 5 BBs behind and I'm giving this great chance to pick up a huge pot uncontested for a double or even triple up, I'm taking it.

As played, you have shove the flop, but it's likely you have to fade a lot of cards and it's guaranteed you're getting called by anyone who hit that flop strong. You're practically drawing to 3 outs with a 4 for the straight, minus the 4c since it completes a flush.

I think you have a better chance of winning shoving this hand PF, given the situation and reasoning above than shoving this flop.
 
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I really prefer not to do this ... actually there would have better spots than that
 
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Thanks for your thoughts guys. I think i'd have to probably take a shove on the turn at least, pre flop shove with 52 hoping for folds.... feels optimistic lol.
Was just in the money and looking for a spot hard but had a run of bad cards and others going all in.
 
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Thanks for your thoughts guys. I think i'd have to probably take a shove on the turn at least, pre flop shove with 52 hoping for folds.... feels optimistic lol.
Definitely an optimistic play, but you aren't seeing a lot of flops you you're 100% happy with.

Even with this flop, your shove is getting called by a lot of hands and you're definitely in a way behind spot. At least preflop, you still have a chance of winning uncontested representing a strong hand and you have a better chance against an isolated player.
 
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Being in the bb I don't see you preflop shoving. Three players limped preflop making pot 4100 and you only have 4340 behind giving the limpers nearly 2-1 to call. They're bound to put you on a wide range and one limper in particular has a big stack relative to yours and can call with a wide range.

On the flop I'm probably checking in some cases and shoving in other cases depending on my image and the type of the players the limpers are. Flush draws can still call your shove. In my opinion it was good to see it check around.

Turn completed your draw, but now there are two flush draws. You have the third nut and shove to protect your hand is a must even though the sb min bet. If someone has a ten that's too bad, just the way it goes. They would pay 1-2.1 on a flush draw for a 1-4 chance to win.

Do you generally tend to go out with small stacks??? You might be too tight/passive. With blinds 800/400/100 I'm in shove mode with a wide range once my stack is down to about 15,000. I am selective based on action in front and position when I shove. With the current blinds I'm not calling off from 15k. And you'd be surprised how wide some people call that big of an open raise. It's usually smaller stacks giving up and if they win you're still alive and if they loose you've chipped up without a tournament life risk.
 
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I would have folded I guess, the chance that some had that 10 were pretty big.
So good play
 
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I would be tempted to shove pre and postflop with 5 bb and over 1/4 of your stack in the middle it is a huge gain and you have good fold equity due to no ones preflop agression unless you have a read on your opponent. Just IMO more agressive less luck has to be involved
 
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