Is this a bad fold?/Am I committed?

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pokerstars Game #50668269816: Tournament #334010382, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XVI (1250/2500) - 2010/10/05 20:43:56 ET Table '334010382 111' 9-max Seat #7 is the button Seat 1: careerlv (66554 in chips) Seat 2: sparkysi1 (58603 in chips) Seat 3: TJCollins88 (71465 in chips) Seat 4: Beef & Von (318939 in chips) Seat 5: Amber1910 (420893 in chips) Seat 6: tuny15 (178091 in chips) Seat 7: mcauley1985 (107394 in chips) Seat 8: newthrills (91123 in chips) Seat 9: slys333 (59602 in chips) careerlv: posts the ante 250 sparkysi1: posts the ante 250 TJCollins88: posts the ante 250 Beef & Von: posts the ante 250 Amber1910: posts the ante 250 tuny15: posts the ante 250 mcauley1985: posts the ante 250 newthrills: posts the ante 250 slys333: posts the ante 250 newthrills: posts small blind 1250 slys333: posts big blind 2500 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to TJCollins88 [Ac Qd] careerlv: folds sparkysi1: raises 5000 to 7500 TJCollins88: raises 14075 to 21575 Beef & Von: folds Amber1910: calls 21575 tuny15: folds mcauley1985: folds newthrills: folds slys333: folds sparkysi1: raises 36778 to 58353 and is all-in TJCollins88: folds Amber1910: calls 36778 *** FLOP *** [6c 3h Js] *** TURN *** [6c 3h Js] [As] *** RIVER *** [6c 3h Js As] [5h] *** SHOW DOWN *** sparkysi1: shows [Kh Ks] (a pair of Kings) Amber1910: shows [Kc Qc] (high card Ace) sparkysi1 collected 144281 from pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 144281 | Rake 0 Board [6c 3h Js As 5h] Seat 1: careerlv folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 2: sparkysi1 showed [Kh Ks] and won (144281) with a pair of Kings Seat 3: TJCollins88 folded before Flop Seat 4: Beef & Von folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 5: Amber1910 showed [Kc Qc] and lost with high card Ace Seat 6: tuny15 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 7: mcauley1985 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 8: newthrills (small blind) folded before Flop Seat 9: slys333 (big blind) folded before Flop

Only read I had was sparkysi1 is tight and Amber1910 had just joined the table.

EDIT: Why is it doing that? ^
 
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Tyler Collins said:
PokerStars Game #50668269816: Tournament #334010382, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XVI (1250/2500) - 2010/10/05 20:43:56 ET Table '334010382 111' 9-max
Seat #7 is the button Seat 1: careerlv (66554 in chips)
Seat 2: sparkysi1 (58603 in chips)
Seat 3: TJCollins88 (71465 in chips)
Seat 4: Beef & Von (318939 in chips)
Seat 5: Amber1910 (420893 in chips)
Seat 6: tuny15 (178091 in chips)
Seat 7: mcauley1985 (107394 in chips)
Seat 8: newthrills (91123 in chips)
Seat 9: slys333 (59602 in chips)
careerlv: posts the ante 250
sparkysi1: posts the ante 250
TJCollins88: posts the ante 250
Beef & Von: posts the ante 250
Amber1910: posts the ante 250
tuny15: posts the ante 250
mcauley1985: posts the ante 250
newthrills: posts the ante 250
slys333: posts the ante 250
newthrills: posts small blind 1250
slys333: posts big blind 2500

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to TJCollins88 [Ac Qd]
careerlv: folds
sparkysi1: raises 5000 to 7500
TJCollins88: raises 14075 to 21575
Beef & Von: folds
Amber1910: calls 21575
tuny15: folds
mcauley1985: folds
newthrills: folds
slys333: folds
sparkysi1: raises 36778 to 58353 and is all-in
TJCollins88: folds
Amber1910: calls 36778

The reraise from the third seat is pretty loose, unless you trying to find out if your already beat, in which sparkysi1, says he has you beat, so its an easy fold, plus the call behind you could be AK or QQ, i mean Amber1910, just saw a raise and a reraise and still called= strong hand, ive even seen aces just smoth call behind a raise reraise situation.

Easy FOLD, the rule on pot commmitment, is if third of your stack is the raise, then you should either fold or shove.

Okay, havent read hand results, let me go look at what happened.
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okay read the end result. sparkysi1= hand sounds right i mean he was reraised and called and felt getting it all in was worth it.= AA KK and sometimes AK,QQ sounds about right. Amber1910 is an obvious donk, (you can qoute me on that). No one in right frame of mind sees an upfront raise reraise situation, and gets in there with Trash, the action isnt even completed. Id right note on her DONK.
 
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Amber is playing like a donkey. Out of position vs at least one hand that is better than hers. But, I can kinda see why she would play in this hand. She is the big stack at the table.
 
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Umm NO! Big chip stack, does not equal raise, reraise, okay ill call. But if you want to call with KQ, to be against AA, KK, or AK, which are respecfully 5 to 1, 13 to 1, and 3 to 1 favorites than dont let me stand in your way.
 
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KINGSIN said:
Umm NO! Big chip stack, does not equal raise, reraise, okay ill call. But if you want to call with KQ, to be against AA, KK, or AK, which are respecfully 5 to 1, 13 to 1, and 3 to 1 favorites than dont let me stand in your way.
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What he said.
 
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Tight fold

I think it was a good tecnical tight fold, as the re-raise came from a player you and already seen as a "tag" player and probably had not played a hand for quite sometime. In a live cash game situation a double raise is an indication of aces, kings, or queens. I think your lay-down was smart poker and not gambling. But hindsight is always "20-20". The "new"player,amber was gambling for a suck-out and way behind. I play by the 40% rule. If it is going to cost you 40% or more to call then you might as well shove it all in. Also what happens if you ace doesn`t hit the board at the flop? Do you still get away from the hand? As that would have been your only course is to shove and pray or fold. So your decision was`nt faulty. Just smart poker.
 
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engman said:
Amber is playing like a donkey. Out of position vs at least one hand that is better than hers. But, I can kinda see why she would play in this hand. She is the big stack at the table.
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How do u kinda see where she culd of played that hand from being the big stack at the table? i cant see what ur talking about at all
 
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engman said:
Amber is playing like a donkey. Out of position vs at least one hand that is better than hers. But, I can kinda see why she would play in this hand. She is the big stack at the table.
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This is how to donk off a big stack 101.
 
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KINGSIN said:
The reraise from the third seat is pretty loose, unless you trying to find out if your already beat, in which sparkysi1, says he has you beat, so its an easy fold
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I'm loving the idea of calling off a big portion of your chips to find out if you're beat.
 
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Just curious... why are we 3bet/folding to a 20bb stack who's raising in EP? (are we raising with intent on folding to a 4bet shove?.. if so, then why 3bet in this spot in the first place?). If your read on the 20bb EP stack guy was that he was a tight player, do you think they'd ever be opening pre in EP on a 20bb stack and would ever consider folding? (if they are... they are TERRIBLE.. unless of course there's a 3bet, followed by a 4bet shove & a caller.. then they 'might' fold something they've opened with in this spot on their stack size... but I doubt it).

"IF" we're 3betting the EP 20bb stack with hopes of getting it in vs. them, then why wouldn't we be 5bet shipping it to isolate their shove?

In other words... I don't think this HH should be about whether or not we should be calling here. I think it should be about > "why are we 3-betting here?" (what's our plan... or are we aimlessly 3-betting without thinking ahead)
 
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engman said:
Amber is playing like a donkey. Out of position vs at least one hand that is better than hers. But, I can kinda see why she would play in this hand. She is the big stack at the table.
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So we 'know' she's a donk... and we're sure she doesn't have 'AA' ?
 
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