9 player SNG, KK & 1 card to the nut flush

Bad break or donk play?

  • Good move, bad break

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • DONK!

    Votes: 6 50.0%
  • I like pie

    Votes: 6 50.0%

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redwulf25_ci

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So, I'm in the early stages of a 9 player SNG and post flop I have AKQ of hearts and a low heart (K of hearts and low heart in the hole - IIRC I was BB and checked) and a pair of K's. I decided to shove since at the level I currently play at worse hands than a pair of K's often take the money and I'm only need to catch one card for the nuts. Long story short the villain who called flopped a pair of A's and I caught neither the heart nor the third K I needed.

So, my question is was this a decent play where I caught a bad break or a massive donk move that got what it deserved?
 
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Given that it was the early stage.. the pot was probably quite small. Open shoving into a small pot early on isn't exactly the best idea. You are, AT BEST, a coinflip against his AI-calling range.

I wouldn't shove, I would probably make a decent bet or even check.

Since your hand is techically a drawing-hand, you don't want to build a BIG pot yet... BIG pot OOP = no no.

So, maybe a bet, then I would expect villian to call with an A. Turn, if we brick, we can still double-barrel semi-bluff or check depending on opponent. On river if we brick again, we can try to catch a bluff/missed draw and check the hand down.

Or.. I can check with the plan of c/c and reevaluate on the turn. If you c/c the flop and villain was betting with a weak A, you might be able to see river for free.
 
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This is making my brain hurt a bit: what was on the board and what was in your hand? Ah K? Qh on the board and you've got Kh Xh in your hand, right?

How much was in the pot already, how many players were in the hand, had there been any action on the flop before you shoved, what were the stack sizes and did you have any reads on your opponents? What was the buy-in and was it a turbo or a normal speed SnG?

Without that information it's really hard to give a meaningful answer so I've answered pie. Some things to consider though:

- Assuming all your outs are live (nine hearts and two kings) you're 41.7% to make your hand on one of the two following streets.

- What hands are calling you? Depending on the level we're playing, we'll probably get called by most aces, two pairs and sets. If we've got an especially stubborn villain Kx hands might call us but they'll almost always have us outkicked. Hands that are worse than that (ie: worse than our hand) and still call are very very rare even at the lowest levels.

- You haven't told us the pot size but I'm assuming since you're freerolling in the big blind that it's small.

Slap all of this together and the big picture is:

- Either all of our opponents are folding and we're winning a very small pot, or we're getting called in a spot where we're at best a 40-60 dog.

- Even if we get called and hit our hand, it's still early in the game and there's no guarantee we're going to cash.

The risk is high, the reward is low. I'd be playing this one very cautiously and look to build a pot if we hit our hand on the turn.
 
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With 11 outs and a small pot you are just about over 40% underdog....
A move like that at the beginning of the tournement is to risky!
You should check + watch what your opponent does....
 
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Definitely not worth it to shove here in the early stages of the SNG. And Ditto to what was said above.
 
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I can't tell what you had and what the board was. And when you want to make a post in strategy do not include a silly poll please. :)

This is really a hand analysis. You can get much better advice posting it like that and leaving out the results. But since you did not do that I will leave it here.
 
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I'd go with a min bet blocking bet if you must.

Try to keep the pot small while you are hoping for the flush to hit.
 
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I would like to know wat was the buyin for that sng game?
Am asking because, the players are very different at different stakes.
If u were playing low stakes games, then i would say ur shove was a good move..
If u were playing a high stake, then u should have bet a 4x instead of shoving and watch ur villians move carefully...
If anyone shoves, u have to fold ur KK.
BUt frankly speaking, ur K2 was no good at all with dat flop dude. If i was at ur place, i would have folded it without thought...
 
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What everyone here is saying is this:

You aren't asking a strategy question, you are asking about a specific hand.

Specific hands need to be put in the Hand Analysis section.

In order to give you the best advice about a specific hand, more detailed information is needed (see all questions above).

This is a very important part of learning poker. All the questions asked by others above are the questions you should be asking yourself when you are in a hand.

No one in here is being critical, but you are being given a plethora of good information that you should read through carefully and try to learn from.
 
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if its the early stages, i wouldnt push there.
 
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