The following is a hand I observed at my local card room today. The hand took place between an older man (65+) and a younger player that I know from many years of playing together. I’ll call them player A and player B respectfully.
Player A is an older man and is the classic rock/NIT. Except that, like many older men, he often thinks a weaker hand like A 6 with a paired ace is a good hand. That’s just something that I have noticed with the older generation. So, in my mind that doesn’t fit quite so neatly in the rock/NIT category, but is pretty close nonetheless.
Player B is a decent player, but he is hyperactive and will call, call, call, fold routinely. He plays 60% of his hands and position doesn’t really seem to factor into his pre-flop decisions. Nonetheless, this balls the wall aggression as made him semi-successful at the relatively small stakes we play at together.
This hand takes place in a $130 live NL hold ‘em game. Starting stacks were $20K and this was the 5th 30 minute level at $150/$300/$25. Player A had about $15K while player B was sitting around $11K.
Player B is in the BB and Player A is immediately to his left and is UTG; he open raises to $1K, receives one late position caller and is called by the BB as well with turned out to be
Player B leads out and bets $1900. Player A then moves all-in, the late position caller folds and Player B in the BB folds his hand face up nearly immediately, thereby showing the whole table that he folded a straight. Player A never showed his hand.
Now normally, I just let stuff like this go, but it was a strange day and no matter how hard I tried I just could not shut my mouth on this one.
I said - “I can’t believe you folded.”
Player B - “Easy fold.”
Me - “How was that easy?”
Player B - “You want me to call the guy that never bets?”
Me - “Yes!”
Player B - “Well, if you pay my entry fee you can tell me how to play, otherwise shut up.”
So, point taken, I was wrong to even have said anything, but I just couldn’t help myself. I dropped it at that point and didn’t speak of it again, but, I’d like to see what the community at large thinks about this situation.
Here’s my problem with his play:
When you call OOP with a hand like 6 3 off, what are you expecting to happen? Obviously the best case scenario would involve 3 sixes on the flop, but nonetheless, a flopped straight (even on a suited board) is a top 5 result. If you’re not going to play all your chips with a top 5 flop for your hand, then why did you call pre flop? Granted, I realize there are exceptions to this generalization and times where you should fold top 5 flops, but I don’t think this is one of them; especially with the ability to re-enter if need be.
Now in my experience, older men don’t move all-in for fold equity, but rather for value. So I am near certain that at a bare minimum player A had the
and maybe another diamond to go with it. If you have a straight here, the best you can do is hope he didn’t flop it and that he misses the numerous outs he almost certainly has; but you still have to call and re-enter if need be. This is why you don’t call a rock OOP with 6 3!
I think this is a perfect example of how bad decisions pre-flop, are magnified post flop; in this case leading player B to fold a top 5 flop for his hand. I’m still exasperated by it; can someone please explain his thinking to me? I don’t get it and think he is a complete retard for not calling after he got himself in so deep and put over 25% of his chips in the pot.
Easy fold; yeah right, only for someone that doesn’t really understand what they are doing or why they are doing it!