50$ New to the game

Hi i am here to because i reach second place in one of this tournament, but i want to give your opinon about this hand:

Heads up:
Blinds: 5000/2500
Me 41k chips and the opponent 81k
In fact i was trying to steel blinds but it also was not a very bad hand for heads up becuase of the blinds and how the opponet play.
Me Q-7 on button go all in
Opponent call with J-9
Flop: J-7-6
Turn: 6
River: 6

The opponent was playing very tight that's why i go for all in, but what do you think, it was the correct decision?

Thank for your help.

Result: (Buy in 1,10$)

With 16 bbs, I think the all in was a bit ambiguous, I would at least wait for a king/ace/broadway/pocketpairs to shove with when you have 16bbs imo.

Heads up you cant wait for hands so with blinds and those stacksizes I'm ok with the shove, and actually you were ahead.

It can be difficult to assess individual hands without knowing the context. How good or bad shoving here is depends not just on how he had been playing but also on how you had been playing and how the thought you had been playing. The last two aren't necessarily the same btw.

Well, next time i will wait for something better, thank you

It is not the worst all in so i think you may be right shoving here when u know your opponent plays tight ..

Another succes

I don't know how to make the seem better, but it is a satellite of 70 players multi entry, i enter 3 times, on one i lose and the other i was first and second place

You never know when someone is going to call your all in preflop. It's pretty much a coin flip. Generally if you are just trying to steal their blinds, you can raise them a couple hundred (with small blinds) and get the same results. And then if they do call and your flop turns out to be bad, you can always fold and still not be out all your chips. I would say a strong bet to steal the blinds would be around 5 times or more of the bb. All in is definitely more intimidating, but some see it as an opportunity to double up on a coin flip.

Swickster007 said:

You never know when someone is going to call your all in preflop. It's pretty much a coin flip. Generally if you are just trying to steal their blinds, you can raise them a couple hundred (with small blinds) and get the same results. And then if they do call and your flop turns out to be bad, you can always fold and still not be out all your chips. I would say a strong bet to steal the blinds would be around 5 times or more of the bb. All in is definitely more intimidating, but some see it as an opportunity to double up on a coin flip.

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no, with this stack it is -ev if he calls correctly

an unexploitable shoving range not including any "edge" we may assume is: 22+ Kx+ Q2s+ Q8o+ J3s+ J8o+ T4s+ T8o+ 95s+ 97o+ 85s+ 87o 74s+ 76o 64s+ 53s+

this is from a pure chipEV stand point

also unless we have reads to min steal wide, we are focusing on pushing ranges that are indifferent to his calling range, when you play unexploitable they can not gain an advantage against you so if they call wider it is just more -ev for them and if they are too tight it is +ev for us. If he knew our exact range and he called perfectly which with this stack and range would be a calling range of

Board:


Equity Win Tie
UTG 42.66% 41.06% 1.60% 22+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J2s+, T3s+, 95s+, 85s+, 74s+, 64s+, A2o+, K2o+, Q8o+, J7o+, T7o+, 97o+, 87o, 76o UTG+1 57.34% 55.73% 1.60% 55+, A2s+, K6s+, Q8s+, J8s+, T9s, A7o+, K9o+, Q9o+, JTo
I'm leaving some room to account for ICM (winging it), this was a bad call from him, and I'm assuming most of you are not shoving as wide as is unexploitable so it makes it even worse

el_magiciann said:

It is not the worst all in so i think you may be right shoving here when u know your opponent plays tight ..

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if your opponent is very tight min betting your whole range is better then shoving

steveiam said:

Heads up you cant wait for hands so with blinds and those stacksizes I'm ok with the shove, and actually you were ahead.

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us being ahead this time or not isn't really the point even thou it is a very bad call from villain

Arjonius said:

It can be difficult to assess individual hands without knowing the context. How good or bad shoving here is depends not just on how he had been playing but also on how you had been playing and how the thought you had been playing. The last two aren't necessarily the same btw.

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16BB poker is rather solved honestly from a push fold stand point, min betting and judging a 3 bet shove and or fold strategy that isn't being exploited is a little more difficult

lusopho said:

With 16 bbs, I think the all in was a bit ambiguous, I would at least wait for a king/ace/broadway/pocketpairs to shove with when you have 16bbs imo.

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your shoving very very tight you should look at some push fold charts bc 16BB HU is very straight forward

rumsey182 said:

us being ahead this time or not isn't really the point even thou it is a very bad call from villain

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I think the call from the villain is fine, HU your shoving wider and calling wider he had 47% equity and against your actual hand he had 44% equity. So his play was fine.

the shove is fine. his call is pretty bad, but might be ok if he thinks you shove nearly anytwo, since we know you don't shove anytwo here, his call is horrible.

whoever is saying he has 16BB its more like 8bb. he wrote the blinds around the wrong way

in future OP, post blinds like "2500/5000", to save confusion.

In regards to unexploitable play, it also means you are not exploiting your opponents, so be careful using those charts as it really is a defensive play i only really used against very good players who i grew tired of trying to outthink.

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ICM doesn't apply HU, well it does, but only in the Cev not $ev so whatever your calculations were for the above, ICM doesnt impact it at all in terms of ICM tax. all your other info is spot on IF he had 16bb. Guys, listen to rumsey, everyone else in the thread is completely wrong


also see the button on the right of "quote", use that to tag multiple quotes on the same post.

WiZZiM said:

ICM doesn't apply HU, well it does, but only in the Cev not $ev so whatever your calculations were for the above, ICM doesnt impact it at all in terms of ICM tax. all your other info is spot on IF he had 16bb. Guys, listen to rumsey, everyone else in the thread is completely wrong


also see the button on the right of "quote", use that to tag multiple quotes on the same post.

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your 100% correct it was a little late for me i should have not said that, i need to find my registration key to SNGwiz but i changed computers

wow

bad idea. very ambitious u play it

rumsey182 said:

16BB poker is rather solved honestly from a push fold stand point, min betting and judging a 3 bet shove and or fold strategy that isn't being exploited is a little more difficult

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doesn't really affect your point, but he has 8bb