50 Fifty sngs

I would like anyones opinion on the 50 fifty sngs on poker stars.
How many buyins you need for each Level ?
Is it worth starting at the $1.50 level
Strategy for playing these ?
Can you make money on these ?
Anything els you can think of about these ?

Is it worth depositing money to play these ?

I am not really sure about the buyins you need or if they are worth it. I did find a strategy article for them though if it helps.

http://www.sitandgoplanet.com/sitandgo/sng_strategy/fifty-50-SNG-strategy.html

BIs' needed depends on skill level.

Worth starting at $1.50 level to get a feel of them

Your last chips are so much more valuable in these. If I remember correctly its $1.35 for finishing in top 5 plus $0.04 for every 100 chips. If you have 1000 chips you get $1.75 175/1000 =0.175. Each chip is worth 0.175. If you have 10000 chips (very unlikely but means I don't have to get my calculator) you geet $5.35 535/10000 = 0.0535. 0.175/0.0535 = just over 3 (about 3.3 I think). So as a shortstack each chip you have is 3 times as valuable as when you are a big stack. Use this knowledge to abuse the bubble and make lightish calls from BB when you think you have odds (when you are bigstack though, not shortstacked).

Also don't play too tight so you end up low stacked alot as you need to have some FE on the bubble to make steals.

thank you for the feed back

I think they are good if you are playing high stakes and aiming to get rakeback/supernova/SNE etc and can even just get 1%roi which should be very possible.

I think lower stakes it would take forever to build a bankroll and would be better suited playing normal STT's + SNG MTT's.

ramdeebam said:

I think they are good if you are playing high stakes and aiming to get rakeback/supernova/SNE etc and can even just get 1%roi which should be very possible.

I think lower stakes it would take forever to build a bankroll and would be better suited playing normal STT's + SNG MTT's.

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Yeah I agree with this and playing normal sng/sng mtts will probally help more with you learning how to beat the game.

telboy said:

Is it worth depositing money to play these ?

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If you believe you're good enough to be at least a breakeven player in these games, it's probably worth depositing. Even if you win at less than your usual rate, you get to learn how to play them as well as how much you enjoy them or not.

That said, if you're working with a tiny bankroll, I can see where you might not want to split it by spreading part of it to another site.

The $1.50's seems super soft, and if anything a simple way to build a roll for nl$5. Ill rake up a few more and see. Its dead money central.

Hello all!

I am new to this forum, but I felt a need to respond to this question. Any and all sit and goes whether it be $1.50 buy in or $150.00 buy in are break even at best over the long term. Playing the normal size sng's in an attempt to build a bankroll is a horrible practice imo. Personally I believe you would have a better chance of splitting your deposit up amongst several low stake ring games and playing just ABC poker. You would be surprised how easily and quickly you can build a bankroll sticking to this method.

Remember to manage your bankroll. Trying to play bigger games in order to hurry up and build a bankroll will backfire more often than it pays off I promise you. I have been there and done that unfortunately

I hope this helps!

Joshua

J_Hardin25 said:

Hello all!

I am new to this forum, but I felt a need to respond to this question. Any and all sit and goes whether it be $1.50 buy in or $150.00 buy in are break even at best over the long term. Playing the normal size sng's in an attempt to build a bankroll is a horrible practice imo. Personally I believe you would have a better chance of splitting your deposit up amongst several low stake ring games and playing just ABC poker. You would be surprised how easily and quickly you can build a bankroll sticking to this method.

Remember to manage your bankroll. Trying to play bigger games in order to hurry up and build a bankroll will backfire more often than it pays off I promise you. I have been there and done that unfortunately

I hope this helps!

Joshua

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I've managed to go from a low of $20 to a high of $270 playing exclusively SnG. I'd have reached 300 if I hadn't of tried to play some cash games (NLHE and PLO) inbetween where I donked off about $40. The amount of donks that play SnG means that you can make a sustainable profit.

BlueNowhere said:

I've managed to go from a low of $20 to a high of $270 playing exclusively SnG. I'd have reached 300 if I hadn't of tried to play some cash games (NLHE and PLO) inbetween where I donked off about $40. The amount of donks that play SnG means that you can make a sustainable profit.

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I agree. you can build a Bankroll and make money playing sngs

Yes SNGs are beatable, but i think the key is make sure the rake isn't too high, 10% max, and make sure you're getting some sort of rakeback.
Oh and of course BRM.

When I was able too play on pokerstars. I perffered the knockout tournaments. Very easy money. Most people just go all in and kill them selves, and leave you cashing. Was cool being patient. Also if you get a knockout or 2, at least you get something back. Anyways, good luck!

I am not saying that you can't make money playing sit and goes... I am saying that if you continually play nothing but sng's over the long term you will at best break even. You may have ran 20 up to almost 300, however I promise you if you continue to play them and look at your stats in a couple of months, you will be back close to where you started. It has nothing to do with your skill as a player, it is simply the nature of online poker. You don't have to believe me, I am just trying to stop someone else from making the same mistake as I did. Which will happen I assure you. Keep playing sit and goes and watch that new found 270 bucks dwindle...

Good luck!
Joshua

J_Hardin25 said:

I am not saying that you can't make money playing sit and goes... I am saying that if you continually play nothing but sng's over the long term you will at best break even. You may have ran 20 up to almost 300, however I promise you if you continue to play them and look at your stats in a couple of months, you will be back close to where you started. It has nothing to do with your skill as a player, it is simply the nature of online poker. You don't have to believe me, I am just trying to stop someone else from making the same mistake as I did. Which will happen I assure you. Keep playing sit and goes and watch that new found 270 bucks dwindle...
Good luck!
Joshua

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Hey no offense meant here but, you're kind of contradicting yourself. Either you can make money playing SNGs or you can't because "you will at best break even". You say that is the nature of online poker, I guess you subscribe to the theory that SNGs are solved and that everyone who plays them is at least good enough to prevent regs from finding an edge to exploit.Well let me tell you there are still plenty of fish who play SNGs, and if there are fish, that means some players will be good enough to profit from them. Perhaps your game is just more suited to the cash game, and your mistake was just playing the wrong type of game for you.
By the way, I had a quick look and the top winners from DONs and Fifty50s in 2011 have made $40 k so far this year.

J_Hardin25 said:

I am not saying that you can't make money playing sit and goes... I am saying that if you continually play nothing but sng's over the long term you will at best break even. You may have ran 20 up to almost 300, however I promise you if you continue to play them and look at your stats in a couple of months, you will be back close to where you started. It has nothing to do with your skill as a player, it is simply the nature of online poker. You don't have to believe me, I am just trying to stop someone else from making the same mistake as I did. Which will happen I assure you. Keep playing sit and goes and watch that new found 270 bucks dwindle...

Good luck!
Joshua

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Thats just not true, These would be a -EV game if everyone played perfectly due to rake (mind you the same applies to cash games). however that isn't the case and you often get worse a lot of absolute beginners and shove ATC first hand players at the micros. Making these very beatable. They will have higher variance than cash games however.