4th position AQo raise to 4BB after two limpers, villian reraises 14BB. 40BB stack

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Second hand of a 54 table turbo tournament. Blinds are 25-50

first player folds
second player (2150 chips): limps
third player(1975 chips): limps
Hero (2000 chips) (Aqo) raises to 200
everyone folds except second player who reraises to 700
hero moves all in and second player calls, he shows q10s

I think I played that hand well because most players at that venue are a bit spewy; most play at pub games, and I don't think folding such a strong hand is possible against these player, perhaps a leak in my game but i'm ahead a vast majority of the time.

the player ended up getting a T and sucking out on me; i wasn't that fussed because i thought a played it optimally but one of the other players disagrees; he thinks that i should have raise it much more, like maybe 6-7 BB so that i scare of those hands; if i did raise it that much I would take down the pot a vast majority of the time, but win much less, whereas going 4BB gives opponents the opportunity to call with a worse kicker or attempt to bluff me with QT. I'm not sure whch play would have more EV. He believes that it is good to bet 5BB+1 for every limper preflop and bet pot after the flop, he thinks being really aggressive like that works, and it does for him; he seems to do well and players at the table are too scared to get involved with him, even if they think he is bluffing they don't want to risk that many chips. opinions?
 
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IMO raising that much all the time is a surefire way for him to win alot of small pots, but any player with half a brain should wise up to that fairly quickly and start three-betting more often with premium holdings, while folding most other hands, therefore negating the edge of the initial over-raise.

You should never be scared to play a hand. Take into consideraion whatever factors you feel necessary and play each hand accordingly.

Your friend will find himself winning alot of small pots, and winning few bog ones, usually wth suckouts on a better hand. This style may provide more chips in your stack earlier on, but keeping it up for too long will only result in losing it just as fast. And like I said, after a level or two, the 6-7bb raise will be easily exploitable.

Also, on what street did the 10 come on? IF you had just called do you feel you could have taken the pot away from your opp or was he the type to shove on the flop after making the initial 3=bet?
 
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I can't remember exactly what came out, but the flop was fairly dry; only low cards, so he would have called a raise on the flop because he had two over cards and figured that I would be bluffing, and he then would have hit his T on the turn; I may have saved my stack if I called instead but that is a losing move, since I would only hit 1/3 of the time
 
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I honestly dont' find anything wrong with this play. At least you shoved, not called. If there's any criticism, your villain who called your all-in bet with QT should be criticized. Seriously, play of 3-bet reraise and calling 4-bet all-in with QTsuited is ignored while someone is berating your play of AQo shove? Doesn't quite make sense. Don't get result-oriented.
 
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I would have raised just a little more preflop. Like 250 - 300...
 
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I honestly dont' find anything wrong with this play. At least you shoved, not called. If there's any criticism, your villain who called your all-in bet with QT should be criticized. Seriously, play of 3-bet reraise and calling 4-bet all-in with QTsuited is ignored while someone is berating your play of AQo shove? Doesn't quite make sense. Don't get result-oriented.


I agree completely. I wasn't berating his play in any way, just asking questions about different lines that might have been to look at the hand from different angles. IMO he played it well and got unlucky. But I didn't just want to leave it at that so I asked some hypothetical questions.

Of course the villian was out of line in calling Q 10 off.
 
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Also, upon further review (if you want to be nitty about it) this was also the second hand of the tourney and there was no need to commit the entire stack with A Q off.

What was done was done, and in the end he did make a good play with the better hand, but was it really necessary?
 
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