360 players turbo 0,50 pokerstars how profitable they are?

I was thinking if i shold swap from 3,50 buyin turbo 18 players when i have like 9 % roi and those tournaments lasts like 50-1h when u get ITM ... i saw friend playing 0,50 360 players turbo and there was really really bad players ... with few "grinders"and i was thinking if you could make like 8-10 tables / hour on average and roi like 50-100 % what i think is possible there ...wouldn't it be more profitable for me ?? if you have some knowledge about 360 players small buyins sit and goes pls answer thanks ...

In larger fields the ROI will be higher, if you are a winning player, but you cant compare the $3.50 18mans with the $0.50 360mans, because these 360mans are way crazier, these have 3-min-levels and lots of donks, here you have a very high variance !

also on those 18 man sit and goes i have big variance for example ... today i am on my biggest downswing ... You can check my name on sharkscope... i used to have roi around 10 % now after 115 games i have -43 % roi lol.... ... its like nightmare... when i have like A K or AQ i always lose to weak ace... it's not 24 % like it should be ... i feel like i loose more than 50 % + i can't win any coinflip...i dont know if i suck at thease turbos or if its freakin variance ....

115 games is nothing, 1000 games is nothing, you must think in way higher amounts of games
in the 18mans 4 people get money and its a slower structure
in the 360mans 36 players get money and its faster
Good players should profit from slower structures...

Penthagoron said:

I was thinking if i shold swap from 3,50 buyin turbo 18 players when i have like 9 % roi and those tournaments lasts like 50-1h when u get ITM ... i saw friend playing 0,50 360 players turbo and there was really really bad players ... with few "grinders"and i was thinking if you could make like 8-10 tables / hour on average and roi like 50-100 % what i think is possible there ...wouldn't it be more profitable for me ?? if you have some knowledge about 360 players small buyins sit and goes pls answer thanks ...

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Doubt you'll ever have a 100% ROI in these games. Yeah most of the field is droolers but variance will be lol wtf huge. A more realistic ROI would be like 40-50% for a winning player, possibly 60% if you're great.

Honestly, super micro comps/sngs like this are basically only good for bankroll building. If you're rolled to play 3.50 18 mans you're probably going to make more $$/hr just playing those.

If you know basic MTT strategy they should be pretty profitable, I find them weird because some players have completely opposite ranges. E.g some people will shove with 89 suited where as others will pretty much sit out the first hour unless they get AQ+ or a good pocket pair

buy-down causes a lot of variance and the players play hard too aggressive and bad way of analyzing the hands

360 players are many but if youre lucky enough to enter the money, minimum will double your buyin. Mostly 36 players are paid. Expect so many kinds of personality here at micro 360 players. The action is so fast since the blind level is also fast, especially at the middle to end parts.

Goodluck.

Daniel72 said:

In larger fields the ROI will be higher, if you are a winning player, but you cant compare the $3.50 18mans with the $0.50 360mans, because these 360mans are way crazier, these have 3-min-levels and lots of donks, here you have a very high variance !

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higher variance lower long term roi

A friend of mine swears by this very tournament & is building a good roll playing it. He also throws in some 45, 90 & 180 mans (all .50 cent) occasionly for variance purposes. Definitely beatable if you apply yourself.

Gl

Red_Devil said:

A friend of mine swears by this very tournament & is building a good roll playing it. He also throws in some 45, 90 & 180 mans (all .50 cent) occasionly for variance purposes. Definitely beatable if you apply yourself.

Gl

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anything is it is more failure rate and how much swings you should expect from a normal roi

They are beatable. The sad thing is that only the final table pays enough for it to be profitable.
I've won a few and they are good for building bankrolls, but not that good if you wanna make money.


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Yes, only the final tables pays off enough to be profitable in any oppinion, unless youre counting the cents ( Who does that? .. ) If you are currently building your bankroll its going to be good for you, but its kind of crazy, too many people, fast blinds, bad beats around every corner. If you can afford to play 3.50 18 it should be more profitable, but you need to have enough buy-ins. If youre playing according your BR ( which means for 0.50c x 100 (buy-ins) = 50 dollars. Now if you got 50 dollars, you have around 15 buy-ins for the 3.50, but if you are a good player it will be way more profitable for you, since it will be easier to win ( not that much luck involved as in 0.50c ). If you think you can start with that kind of a bankroll and make it profitable - go for it. But to win a 0.50c in my oppinion is all about taking coinflips. Might not be every hand you play, but you need to take risks. And the amount of risks you would take of course would be lower in 18man. But I dont see how these tournaments are comparable.

Played a couple of times these SNG. There's no more desire to play them!!! A lot of fish in them!!!! Better to play $ 1.5 45 Max.

the issue with turboes with high fields and low stacks is that you are almost DoN everytime, very hard to find in a table without maniacs making hilarious raises (20 to 670!) with any two, blocking any strategy but fold or shove, if you make a raise then you are going to get 4 or 5 players calling so most of the flop are going to beat you,

then playing from the flops are way worse than preflop, people will dbet, raise or reraise or even shove with a pair, an ace, a gutshot, a draw or whatever making very difficult to know if they have something over your TP or is just another fishy play

the other thing is that you can not make notes on players since they are not regs so you dont know, you are always guessing, and at the end need a lot of luck (more than average) to reach the final table since must double 5 or 6 times almost unbeaten,

With the luck factor in those tournaments I seriously doubt the 100% ROI.

You cannot apply much edge if you play tight, especially on turbo structure. And if you play at least a bit aggresive, you will face so many shoves and flips. Even if you are 60/40 or 70/30 favorite in most of them, you will loose many of them just by bad luck.

I would expect 50% ROI at max. So how many can you open at once, what will be your hourly rate on .50? And will it improve your play, so you could move to better rate later?