3 hands discussed in mtts

So far today finished 7th place in a private freeroll at merge and 7th in 500 added ofc at Colt poker,thats the good news.
In the private freeroll-
1. The play is good
2.Suffered a beat when I raised preflop with a9 ds and flop is 2 710 of ds(nut flush) and the 1 caller had pocket 2s. On flop he checks and I bet 200(min) he calls, turn is the ace of spades and he snap shoves allin with his set and I call for 1/3 my stack and 10 hits river.Ended up coming back and placed 7th
3. At the final table im in 7th with 8 left and 17k. Utg goes allin for 7.5 k and the chip leader in mid position calls, folde to me in bb with 88.My thoughts are if I call and I assume the big stack has aq ak aj and the flop hits a big card and no 8,I will have to fold and be the short stack,so a call is no good, so if I go allin another 10k to the big stack and if I win it all im in good shape,if I at least I beat the big stack ,I have 20 k, and if the big stack wins it all I still get 7th. I see no other play than go allin or fold. I go allin and the big stack hits ace,no 8 and get 7th. I think I played it right,what do you think.
4. A critical hand in the ofc at colt- I am early position with 6k and pocket jacks, I call 400(bbs) and a loose player in mid position goes allin 6.5 k. It is folded to me,I think a long time and figure I probably have the best hand, I call ,he turns over pocket 9s and I double up. I have been only calling with 10s or jj in early position for about 6 weeks now and it has paid off many times with big pots from hitting top sets or middle sets. Im going to keep playing that way. That hand gave me enough chips to steal a lot of blinds from then on.

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1. The OFC game was not particularly good early, although the overall level of play rose as the weaker players went out. Then, once it got down to last 2-3 tables, there wasn't a great deal of room to play due to the structure.

dont limp mid pairs from ep, its bad

I disagree with ep raise on 1010 jj, I used to do that and lost a lot or everyone folded and I missed a possible big pot. I kave won a lot of huge allins with limping. I remember one in paticular ,I limp with jj and 1 or 2 callers and it was mid position who had j8,flop is j8 and a low card ,we ended up allin on the flop. I also dont get pot committed on a limp. Flop has 2 cards over j and what good is that. I am not going to cbet that. I also limp sometimes on aggressive table when i have aa and am utg,wait for the raise and then depending how many are in I reraise pot or go allin. kk qq I raise with and sometimes aa ,depends on players.
Lets say I raise with jj 3 bbs and get repopped the pot what am I going to do? If I limp and then get a raise and call ,and maybe hit a set or 3 cards under jack. Then I check and reraise,then if Im reraised I figure I am beat. I am an intermediate player and I am going to do what works for me.

jimmyd1953 said:

I disagree with ep raise on 1010 jj, I used to do that and lost a lot or everyone folded and I missed a possible big pot. I kave won a lot of huge allins with limping. I remember one in paticular ,I limp with jj and 1 or 2 callers and it was mid position who had j8,flop is j8 and a low card ,we ended up allin on the flop. I also dont get pot committed on a limp. Flop has 2 cards over j and what good is that. I am not going to cbet that. I also limp sometimes on aggressive table when i have aa and am utg,wait for the raise and then depending how many are in I reraise pot or go allin. kk qq I raise with and sometimes aa ,depends on players.
Lets say I raise with jj 3 bbs and get repopped the pot what am I going to do? If I limp and then get a raise and call ,and maybe hit a set or 3 cards under jack. Then I check and reraise,then if Im reraised I figure I am beat. I am an intermediate player and I am going to do what works for me.

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super face up, limp/3bets folds out so much of their range, plus when it is limped round you are essentially turning the 4th best hand in the game into a set mining hand.

raise pre, get called by worse, bet post flop for value, easy game

jimmyd1953 said:

I disagree with ep raise on 1010 jj, I used to do that and lost a lot or everyone folded and I missed a possible big pot. I kave won a lot of huge allins with limping. I remember one in paticular ,I limp with jj and 1 or 2 callers and it was mid position who had j8,flop is j8 and a low card ,we ended up allin on the flop. I also dont get pot committed on a limp. Flop has 2 cards over j and what good is that. I am not going to cbet that. I also limp sometimes on aggressive table when i have aa and am utg,wait for the raise and then depending how many are in I reraise pot or go allin. kk qq I raise with and sometimes aa ,depends on players.
Lets say I raise with jj 3 bbs and get repopped the pot what am I going to do? If I limp and then get a raise and call ,and maybe hit a set or 3 cards under jack. Then I check and reraise,then if Im reraised I figure I am beat. I am an intermediate player and I am going to do what works for me.

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I don't mean to be harsh, but until you learn to appreciate that it's better to bet out with JJ and TT than to limp, you may not improve beyond the intermediate player level.

Also, justifying your choice based on selective things that might happen isn't likely to be productive, and may be counter-productive. For example, you limp JJ to keep the pot smaller when someone re-raises. How often does that happen? Not a lot. So your reason is a low-probability occurrence.

Otoh, how often does limping JJ let hands like Ax KT, suited connectors, small pairs etc. limp behind so that you're playing OOP, often against multiple opponents, which means more hands and more opponents who can out-flop you? It's not exciting to bet and win the blinds, but until you have the skill to prosper in marginal situations, it's better to play in a way that leads to being in fewer of them, not more.

jimmyd1953 said:

4. A critical hand in the ofc at colt- I am early position with 6k and pocket jacks, I call 400(bbs) and a loose player in mid position goes allin 6.5 k. It is folded to me,I think a long time and figure I probably have the best hand, I call ,he turns over pocket 9s and I double up. I have been only calling with 10s or jj in early position for about 6 weeks now and it has paid off many times with big pots from hitting top sets or middle sets. Im going to keep playing that way. That hand gave me enough chips to steal a lot of blinds from then on.

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Don't ever limp Jacks/10'10s in EP, it's an awful leak and one that will cost you.

If you're going to keep playing that way then be prepared to suffer long term, just being honest.

who is right? I read on an earlier post that the only utg ep hands to raise on -were aa,kk,qq ak,aq,so im getting mixed messages. Also , in the past I would raise with jj 10s, with not that good of results, Im getting mixed messages

I want to clarify my position on this. I call in early mid game when the bbs are relatively small. I vary my play . Sometimes I do raise on jj. It depends,final table it depends on my stack,if I am chip leader and sb and bb are short ,I am raising.If I am 8bbs or less at ft, I am allin. For the most part I am sticking with what works. Any time I am 8bbs or less I am allin on any pair 44s and up.2 cards 10 and up and any ace(x) unless I am near bubble to get ITM.

JJ is definitely a raise here every time. You have 15bbs and premium hand that loses a ton of value in a multiway flop. Raise to try and get heads up and shove most flops that don't include an ace. If you take the blinds down then at least you won't have a tough decision from OOP.

The only hands you really don't want to see are AA/KK/QQ, and assuming there are 8 players to act behind you, there is a 10.8% chance of one of those hands turning up. You are a little better than a coinflip to AK/AQ and there is a 19.3% chance of seeing one of those. You are well ahead of any other hand. That means 70% of the time JJ is by far the best hand, and 90% of the time it is at least slightly ahead. Your thoughts need to be on getting the chips in the middle, not set mining.

very good reply by mcluffin311, finally something prcise and it makes sense to me,i will start raing now except for early and mid early game when bbs are liw,i am looking for an allin trap hand with jj 1010 ,and i have hit a lot of those lately,but in late game im raising on jj,u convinced me with all the facts,best reply on any post i have made here,ty mcbluffin

my only ? left is :if I get jj in utg and raise 3 -4 bbs and then a player shoves allin,depending on the player i probably should fold or call? I assume I would fold after a raise and 2 more go allin. If I get one caller and he has position how much do I cbet , I assume 3/4 - 2/3 pot? Thats why I quit raisng on jj because I would get pot committed and lose all my chips. But Im sticking with mcbluffins advice, I realize if only 1 overcard hits flop that I probably still have the best hand. and want to drag it. If 2 overcards hit flop i am checking and giving up.

Pretty ok beginners strategy.

You should never feel scared about going all-in without the nuts.
JJ is a very strong hand when blinds are getting high, and stacks are getting low.

jimmyd1953 said:

very good reply by mcluffin311, finally something prcise and it makes sense to me,i will start raing now except for early and mid early game when bbs are liw,i am looking for an allin trap hand with jj 1010 ,and i have hit a lot of those lately,but in late game im raising on jj,u convinced me with all the facts,best reply on any post i have made here,ty mcbluffin

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jimmyd1953 said:

my only ? left is :if I get jj in utg and raise 3 -4 bbs and then a player shoves allin,depending on the player i probably should fold or call? I assume I would fold after a raise and 2 more go allin. If I get one caller and he has position how much do I cbet , I assume 3/4 - 2/3 pot? Thats why I quit raisng on jj because I would get pot committed and lose all my chips. But Im sticking with mcbluffins advice, I realize if only 1 overcard hits flop that I probably still have the best hand. and want to drag it. If 2 overcards hit flop i am checking and giving up.

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Glad I could help! Not sure I can give you a neat and easy response for the rest of this, jacks are an inherently tricky hand because while it is very strong preflop, it does not flop particularly well. Of the top of my head, heres a few things to consider when holding them:
1) As above poster said, JJ is a very strong hand, especially when stacks are short. Even deep though it is usually good enough to open with from any position.
2) JJ plays poorly in multiway pots. When they hit a set thats great, but the other 88% of the time this gives up a lot of value.
3) Be especially wary of a flop with an A, as so many micro players play their Ax hands preflop.
4) OOP (or EP) be more likely to raise/reraise with them, just calling a raise IP is ok, but they are especially difficult to play OOP.
Edit: Don't be overly concerned with 2/3pot, 3/4pot, etc bets at this point. Recognizing when to bet is more important than sizing it precisely and either will do.