20-minute Levels -> Differences from Turbos?

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I used to primarily play MTTs, but have since moved to primarily cash games. However I played in a $1.10 satellite tourney that allowed me to win an $11 tournament entry coupon on BCP.

I am planning on playing the Daily Deepstack Freezeout ($1,250 GTD., starting any minute, lol :D ) . It features 20-minute blinds levels that go up like this.

Big blinds:
40, 60, 80, 120, 160, 200, 250, 300, 400, 500, 600, 800, 1k, 1.2k, 1.5k, 2k, 2.5k, 3k, 4k, 5k, 6k, 8k, 10k, 12k, 15k, 20k, 25k, 30k

Small blind is always half the big blind, and an ante worth 10% of the big blind begins in the 7th level.

I'm almost completely used to 5-minute and 7-minute blind levels with a little bit of experience in 10-minute structures. How should my strategy be different in this tournament? The only main thing I'm thinking about is playing tighter for longer, and exploiting people who are playing wide ranges in the opening stages of the tournament. I'm expecting it to play more like a cash game for longer (5k starting stacks) as well so I hope this may play to my advantage somewhat.

Any advice/experiences would be helpful :) (and I'll update my progress here too)
 
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I should also mention that while there are only 35 people registered thus far, the tourney has a whopping 2.5-hour late registration period, so I have no idea what kind of entries I should be expecting.
 
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down to 4.3k bleeding chips mostly. Had a bad spot where I had A8s and 3bet a btn opener, and he min-4bet me. Stupidly called and bricked flop, so bye bye some chips.
 
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At the next level (in 15 minutes) I will have about 38bb, and I'm sitting in 30th out of 91 remaining (although late registration is STILL open for another hour). 128 registered so far. For now, 18 cash, but obviously I'd love to FT.
 
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sitting 2/53 with 110 bb.
 
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Well bummer this got zero replies, cause even not in the moment I'm still thinking about this kind of stuff.

Anyway, I made it into the money at 17th for a min-cash, though it felt like more since I bought in through a satellite. $1.10 investment and I cashed for $21 so I still feel like a winner. :D
 
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Congrats to the cash.
In non-turbos you can simply wait longer for good hands, and they also favour the better players. Turbos and fast formats have more variance. Personally i love turbos more, because i don´t want to play 4 hours until the mincash (if i survive) or 9 hours till the final table ...if i´m lucky enough lol.
 
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Haha thanks for the reply.

Right, that basically follows my thoughts, although I forgot to mention the favoring of better players -> good point! As is fairly intuitive to most people (I think), greater variance will favor weaker players while lower variance will favor stronger players since they have a skill "edge."

And while I agree that 4 hours can be taxing, I always find long tournaments to be rewarding, in a way. (Though if I had gone for 4 hours WITHOUT cashing I might have had a different opinion!!)
 
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hey bro, sorry just saw this, average stack will be deeper, we wont be put in as many push/fold spots. allows for more postflop play etc
 
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Stacks are deep enough that we'll often have implied odds to play all kinds of sheeeee-ite. Can setup great oppurtunities to exploit other's weaknesses/tendanices (ie. like stacking the guy who can't fold TP when we're 100bb's deep). etc. etc. etc.
I much prefer it but of course like anything with poker 'it depends' lol. If I've got the time to play for awhile, I typically prefer playing a handful of deeperstacked games over a whole bunch of Turbo MTT's (but sometimes mass-tabling a bunch of Turbo MTT's can be cool too... especially if you're running well & getting deep in a couple/few).
 
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Stacks are deep enough that we'll often have implied odds to play all kinds of sheeeee-ite.

Haha yeah I noticed that. :) And people definitely over-committed themselves with marginal TP hands even later on in the tourney (still normal stack sizes but hypothetically better players left).

Thanks for getting to this guys, I appreciate the input.
 
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Haha yeah I noticed that. :) And people definitely over-committed themselves with marginal TP hands even later on in the tourney (still normal stack sizes but hypothetically better players left).

Thanks for getting to this guys, I appreciate the input.

I think these have already been covered a little. When you're deep-stacked, there are two basic schools of thought.

1) See a lot of flops at a cheap price even with lower end hands and get out when you don't hit big.
2) Wait for the cards to come to you.

Number 1 has the nice feature that nobody will respect you to *necessarily have anything. (I put the asterisk next to necessarily because weaker players tend to think only of loose and tight rather than in ranges) So if someone picks up pocket aces and you know it, the implied odds are good, you know how to play in your position, and you have 7 4 offsuit, it might be worth calling. If you miss the flop completely, you drop the hand and you lost a little pre flop. On the other hand, if the flop hits you just right, you can stack the guy right now. If you elect to play this style, you have to have the discipline to make strong laydowns.

Number 2 tries to capitalize on people trying number 1 that do not have the discipline to make the big laydowns. As long as there aren't antes at these levels, you'll probably be alright just folding until the cards come. Number 2 can still require big laydowns. Since you are playing much fewer hands, it's likely that your table may take notice that you've entered a pot. Be careful not to polarize your range too much or you may invite folds when you get good hands and people taking small shots to take your stack as soon as you've landed the pocket rockets.
 
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