180 person SnG's

In your opinion... Can the PS $2.20 - 180 person - turbo - sng be profitable over the grind. It's filled with alot of fish but it's a mindfield of loose calls,river chasing and allin calls with 45 suited.

Ive played over 110 now and I'm up approximately $95 but am on a serious cold streak and getting frustrated.

Just wondering if anyone regularly plays these and how youre doing.

Thanks

Yes.

Snark aside...

Yes they can be profitable. You're running a 39% ROI atm (although a small sample size), I'm not sure what the going rate is for ROI in the 180's but that's probably pretty good.

Why not post some hand histories of spots where you're having trouble?

Also Bwammo has a video on Cardschat where he's playing a 180-man, I believe it's called "Short Stack Survival" or something along those lines. Check it out!

I feel your pain, nc.. I've had pretty decent succes early in my 2.20 career by winning a few in consecutive days giving my BR a nice bump.. However, since those wins I've been robbed many times by the fish chasing with virtually ATC.. It's a frustrating ride when getting sucked-out on by foolish and unreasonable play from donkeys devoid of any conceptually strategic play and the inability to recognize sound, structured practices.. I mean, don't get me wrong, I certainly can appreciate calling 75% pot bets to the river when you pair your 9 to the board with an 8-kicker and have a remote possibility of catching a runner-runner to complete your str8.. By you, I mean them; the carp.. And by appreciate, I mean, wtf could you possibly be thinking calling such substantial bets with an A K on the flop..?

In any event, my recommendation is to either bump you stakes, or be very patient and observant of others' play.. The more you know of their play, the more informed decisions you can make when deciding to put your chips in the middle when some tool re-raises your PoF bet on a nut flush draw.. There's always going to be suck-outs, and there's always going to be chasers hoping to catch the river.. Hopefully you can catch them w/out a paddle.. Good luck, my friend..

Any game can be profitable if you know what you're up against and you are a good player. It will be higher variance than a smaller sng, but if you have the skill, you can do fine.

Yeah they're hugely profitable but if you're gonna grind them you'll have insane downswings.

Yes, they are certainly profitable. I have a few hundred of them under my belt at this point and something like 90-95% ROI over that sample. You hit some really nasty swings but thems the breaks where MTTs are concerned. I had a swing over about 120 games where I just couldn't buy a win...probably lost ~55 buyins over that 120. That swing is far from the worst I've heard about.

I might be in for a long ride. Im currently at 29 straight buy-ins lost.

nc_royals said:

I might be in for a long ride. Im currently at 29 straight buy-ins lost.

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Super standard i'd imagine.

I've heard guys at the 12's losing 100-200 buy ins, but it's obviously much harder to beat those games.

Yeah, I can definitely attest to the profitability of these things. A couple years ago I put in around 4k of them to the tune of $1.50 profit per game...being able to knock out 100+ in a day sure can turn a small stakes game into a massive money tree hehe.

29 buyin downswings are standard...but losing 29 straight buyins(meaning you didn't even make it to the final 18), happens very infrequently.

Typical gigantic downswing in the 180 man world is 100ish buyins. The most I've ever endured at those 2.20s was roughly 100 buyins and I sustained a consistent 65%ish ROI...so it's definitely necessary to keep a positive outlook when you're getting crapped all over.

I finally broke my consecutive losing streak at 35. I took 17th place for $4.32 and then took 5th place for $23. Not the biggest win but feels good to get it.

I have been seeing some regulars at this game that have an Impressive ROI. So that's encouraging. Im going to keep plugging and Ill keep you guys posted.

nc_royals said:

In your opinion... Can the PS $2.20 - 180 person - turbo - sng be profitable over the grind. It's filled with alot of fish but it's a mindfield of loose calls,river chasing and allin calls with 45 suited.

Ive played over 110 now and I'm up approximately $95 but am on a serious cold streak and getting frustrated.

Just wondering if anyone regularly plays these and how youre doing.

Thanks

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Very much indeed. I know someone who plays these exclusively along with $3.30 (R) 180's man. Obviously the odd day here and there he has a a losing day but for example on "avg" he earns around 14k a month. His range is anywhere between 10-15k per MONTH grinding 20+ tables daily for about 6-7hours a time.

ramdeebam said:

Very much indeed. I know someone who plays these exclusively along with $3.30 (R) 180's man. Obviously the odd day here and there he has a a losing day but for example on "avg" he earns around 14k a month. His range is anywhere between 10-15k per MONTH grinding 20+ tables daily for about 6-7hours a time.

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Wow that's incredible... Can you give his name. Id love to look him up and rail his game.

Bwammo said:

Yeah, I can definitely attest to the profitability of these things. A couple years ago I put in around 4k of them to the tune of $1.50 profit per game...being able to knock out 100+ in a day sure can turn a small stakes game into a massive money tree hehe.

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How many tables were you playing at once and how many hours a day does it take to get in 100+ ?

Keep with it and don't get discouraged, post some hands in the hand posting section and some CCers will help you with your game. Sometimes even if its just to tell you that you made the right play.

I think they are profitable, but much tougher than some months or a year ago and getting tougher every day. I played over 2000 of those and won 20, but i am a little bit sick of the variance of those TOP HEAVY turbos, where only top 3 get good prize money. Now i prefer the 45man´s again...

ramdeebam said:

Very much indeed. I know someone who plays these exclusively along with $3.30 (R) 180's man. Obviously the odd day here and there he has a a losing day but for example on "avg" he earns around 14k a month. His range is anywhere between 10-15k per MONTH grinding 20+ tables daily for about 6-7hours a time.

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Honestly those 3.30 rebuy tournaments are where the money is these days. But they aren't merely 3.30 buyin...grinders on average are paying 10-11 dollars per entry. I've heard of ROIs in the upper 70s from the best grinders at them...but any rebuy tournament is conducive to that sort of result.

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How many tables were you playing at once and how many hours a day does it take to get in 100+ ?

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I was typically running between 12 and 16 tables and would register for up to 4 hours straight, then let them wind down. Averaging around 16 games an hour for roughly 6 hours a day is 100ish.

^^^ Bwammo....
I was reading a blog you wrote back in August of last year that was talking about how youre goal was to move to vegas withing 6 months and stay theyre a minimum of 6 months. Where are you on that goal?

lol, I've had the opportunity to make the move for a while, but priorities changed. Family issues along with personal ones.

reading this makes me feel a tadge better, ive lost the plot last week playing 180, 90 and 45 players low stakes $1$2$3

ive also collected last 3 after a massive down streak probably 15 games, i stick with the words play good solid hands and the callers, numpties will give you chips but its hard getting busted with rubbish a lot

keep us informed how you go on from here

Well. It wasnt a turbo but I just took first in a 180 person $4.40 regular tourney for $216. Definately needed the boost. Funny how on these downswings really makes you to question if it's all worth it.

Lol those type of downswings are why I got bored with them and went back to the 9 mans lol