10s vs 2 players A.I pre

I just got moved to the table, so I have no reads at all, I just want to know, what do we really do? Do we risk it right here (Because it's a mirco game), Just because we believe everyone doesn't play up to par/Care about the game? It's situations like these that get me bewildered as to what exactly is the right play?

If your going to ask, why I didn't raise pre with 10s (I personally don't feel comfortable with raising pre 10s<E.P so I mean (Maybe that's a big leak in itself)...

Any sort of advice would most be welcomed



pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, 0.55 Tournament, 150/300 Blinds 40 Ante (9 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com



BB (t4916)
UTG (t14142)
Hero (UTG+1) (t11130)
MP1 (t6700)
MP2 (t8216)
MP3 (t11248)
CO (t23925)
Button (t2965)
SB (t8114)

Hero's M: 13.74

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 10 , 10
UTG calls t300, Hero calls t300, 2 folds, MP3 bets t11208 (All-In), 4 folds, UTG raises to t14102 (All-In), 1 fold

Flop: (t23526) 2 , 5 , 3 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: (t23526) 6 (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: (t23526) 2 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: t23526

Results:

Since you didn't raise pre flop and had very little committed, I think you made the right move. All-in and a call in front of you makes it very hard to call with 10s. I would have done the same thing.

^^ yup
even if you raised 4x, the reraise allin was bound to happen anyways,
sure you woulda won (a nice pot), but I usually like better cards when I put my tourny life on the line- especially in a 3way+ pot

TY both for the input btw, and yes I was thinking exactly down same lines as both of you's (Was kinda like are you serious when I seen the cards flipped), but I mean what can you do

Fold was correct decision to both all ins.

If you had raised, neither would have shoved and you could of extracted value from utg.

TT is to good a hand to set mine with.

Ranny said:

TT is to good a hand to set mine with.

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lol, because 10's don't stand up enough by themselves?

iso pre, value bet loads of boards in a HU pot IP vs a fish with a weak range.

if you don't feel comfortable, fair enough.. but it is a leak, I'd work on it.

+ you don't get spots like these where you're confused..

but imo, MP is jamming semi-wide for value since you both limped, and UTG is a salmon and will always call with worse.. he will have better at times (limp re-raise) but calling off here can't be too bad.

I think everyone involved in this hand played it bad tbh. Tens is a clear raise ainec. MP3 almost never has a monster here. UTG has KK+ some of the time but he's obv a retard who has stuff like 66 in his range as well as the occasional spazzy hands like 97s. Pretty sure this is a call and not very close.

BlueNowhere said:

I think everyone involved in this hand played it bad tbh. Tens is a clear raise ainec. MP3 almost never has a monster here. UTG has KK+ some of the time but he's obv a retard who has stuff like 66 in his range as well as the occasional spazzy hands like 97s. Pretty sure this is a call and not very close.

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Ok then let me ask you this next question...If I, who didn't have no reads on these players (Who just got moved to this table), how the heck do you put them on a range at all, just from HH ? I mean, I thank you for input btw, I'm just trying to figure out, how to place people on any sort of range (Unless I've played with them numerous of times/and seen what they go to SD with)...

Also wouldn't KK/AA raise pre? I mean because, I didn't know the players involved in the hand, I didn't feel like raising, and then this shit happening to me, and actually running into JJ/QQ, I personally put 1 on that hand, not 88/AJ ....

naruto_miu said:

Ok then let me ask you this next question...If I, who didn't have no reads on these players (Who just got moved to this table), how the heck do you put them on a range at all, just from HH ? I mean, I thank you for input btw, I'm just trying to figure out, how to place people on any sort of range (Unless I've played with them numerous of times/and seen what they go to SD with)...

Also wouldn't KK/AA raise pre? I mean because, I didn't know the players involved in the hand, I didn't feel like raising, and then this shit happening to me, and actually running into JJ/QQ, I personally put 1 on that hand, not 88/AJ ....

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Given that MP3 shvoes like 37bb (lol) I'd give him a range of somthing like AJ+, 88-JJ. He can have some weaker PPs and maybe the occasional stronger PP but 88-JJ is fairly representative. Given that UTG limp shoved I'd give him a range of something like AA-55, AQ+ plus some random crap. Look at how you do against those ranges in pokerstove. To put unknowns on ranges you have to try and think about population tendancies. If we later find out UTG is the biggest nit ever and his range is KK+ in this spot it doesn't matter. You look at what the population does in certain spots. I think their ranges can actually be wider than I've put but I've tried to put how we do even against a fairly bad case scenario in terms on ranges. Sure they should raise AA pre but they also shouldn't be jamming 37bb or l/c 37bb with any of their range. Also caring about them having JJ when you flip over is just lol thinking. As long as we are ahead of their range their hand is irrelevant.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

42,981,362,424 games 43.315 secs 992,297,412 games/sec

Board:

Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied

Hand 0: 29.311% 27.81% 01.50% 11951918424 646224746.00 { JJ-88, AJs+, AJo+ }

Hand 1: 38.208% 37.41% 00.80% 16079379996 342891320.00 { TT }

Hand 2: 32.481% 31.07% 01.41% 13353771780 607176158.00 { 55+, AQs+, 97s, AQo+

If you wont go on tilt to lose to that AJ you should probably call. Because sometimes that AJ might be an a8 which might make 3 of a kind. I went tilt because I called a shove with a8 suited and he rivered a flush on my tens and it made me really angry but sometimes this happens and if you have a big stack its good to make those calls if you can control yourself after. The way you said the story if it was late in the tournament its probably an easy fold but if its midway and you want to get some extra chips its an easy call also.