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I came across a fish on 888 in a heads up game today and looked him up only to find out that they were very profitable playing the double up 10 person games, mostly playing $10,20 stakes where you have to make it to the top 5 to double your money with .50 in rake, the graph they had went straight up and he rarely did not make it in the top 10, also they are a new player, they had $320 or so in profit with no downswing! sure it could be a good player, but my belief is that these double up games could be very soft or maybe not so hard to cash in the Fifty50 on pokerstars I can't see you being as profitable cause really the best you can do is have a double up purely with lots of chips, on 888 it only matters to make top 5, im gonna try these out once i increase my roll on 888 and see if i can manage to be as profitable as this new player I came across
 
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Yeah I find those tournaments easy to play as well you should definitely give it a try, good luck building your roll
 
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You are far better off mastering regular single table SNG's than grinding DoN games, IMHO
 
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You are far better off mastering regular single table SNG's than grinding DoN games, IMHO

Probably true, however on the other hand with DONs you can probably play at higher stakes and you can mass multitable quite easily since there isn't much thought. If they really are that soft then you could probably grind decent profit with fairly low vairance.
 
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You are far better off mastering regular single table SNG's than grinding DoN games, IMHO

The profit is not there though you have to place much higher to profit, and if the competition is tougher than you will probably be scratching your teeth just trying to make profit in the long term, while with the double up's you just make top 5 and you already doubled up your money
 
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The profit is not there though you have to place much higher to profit, and if the competition is tougher than you will probably be scratching your teeth just trying to make profit in the long term, while with the double up's you just make top 5 and you already doubled up your money

If you've already made up your mind about this, then why are you soliciting feedback?

Regardless, you will find that there at A LOT of DON regs. You will also find that DON regs are, generally, very nitty and play very slowly. I think they are slow because they are all multi-tabling, but that is speculation on my part. If you know how to pick your spots against nitty players, DONs can be profitable. If you ARE the nitty player, though, you're going to find them less profitable than you would expect.

Furthermore, I think you'll find playing them the most boring "poker" ever. If all you care about is your profit, you may find the DONs worth your while. If you're playing for entertainment and hope that you can win a little money at the same time, you may find that they bore you to tears and that the profits aren't worth the time involved.

Good luck.

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I used to play these on 888 with a great success. Mostly $5.5 and $11 and sometimes even $21,5 turbos, depending on situation and my bankroll. The games are pretty soft but not too soft and you do need to have a clear DoN concept and strategy to constantly beat these games and to maintain a high ROI over a large sample (let's say 10% ROI).
As for the players, often you'll see some donks and fish per table, and a few bad regs. OF course there are some decent players as well, but they are usually very tight and too weak and exploitable on the bubble , not knowing the right late stage strategy and being too passive allowing the blinds to eat them up . . Being able to spot such players on the bubble and exploit them accordingly is a big part of these games. Open shoving into them with marginal holdings is usually the best play, because you need to maintain your fold equity and not fall into red zone. But of course you should always pay attention and be careful.
CaLLing an all in is out of question in most cases, and you should almost never do that on the bubble, sometimes even aces need to be folded.

Overall, I think that DoNs on 888 are worth trying and are one of the best ways to build a bankroll fast if you play them well.
Someone said that you should play regular SNGs instead of DoNs, but I don't thionk so. DoNs are very low variance and much easier to multitable than regular SNGs, and are great and fast bankroll builders.
 
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If you've already made up your mind about this, then why are you soliciting feedback?

Regardless, you will find that there at A LOT of DON regs. You will also find that DON regs are, generally, very nitty and play very slowly. I think they are slow because they are all multi-tabling, but that is speculation on my part. If you know how to pick your spots against nitty players, DONs can be profitable. If you ARE the nitty player, though, you're going to find them less profitable than you would expect.

Furthermore, I think you'll find playing them the most boring "poker" ever. If all you care about is your profit, you may find the DONs worth your while. If you're playing for entertainment and hope that you can win a little money at the same time, you may find that they bore you to tears and that the profits aren't worth the time involved.

Good luck.

-HooDooKoo

I hadn't made up my mind completely, and was just giving my opinion, I don't think it is boring cause it is challenging to see if these games can be profit, as someone who has built up rolls playing fixed limit hold em im not the person who gets bored playing, I enjoy the challenge, the thrill of the game is not something i worry about that much otherwise i would go play slots or do huge bets on sports, i would rather exploit soft games then play where it is difficult
 
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I used to play these on 888 with a great success. Mostly $5.5 and $11 and sometimes even $21,5 turbos, depending on situation and my bankroll. The games are pretty soft but not too soft and you do need to have a clear DoN concept and strategy to constantly beat these games and to maintain a high ROI over a large sample (let's say 10% ROI).
As for the players, often you'll see some donks and fish per table, and a few bad regs. OF course there are some decent players as well, but they are usually very tight and too weak and exploitable on the bubble , not knowing the right late stage strategy and being too passive allowing the blinds to eat them up . . Being able to spot such players on the bubble and exploit them accordingly is a big part of these games. Open shoving into them with marginal holdings is usually the best play, because you need to maintain your fold equity and not fall into red zone. But of course you should always pay attention and be careful.
CaLLing an all in is out of question in most cases, and you should almost never do that on the bubble, sometimes even aces need to be folded.

Overall, I think that DoNs on 888 are worth trying and are one of the best ways to build a bankroll fast if you play them well.
Someone said that you should play regular SNGs instead of DoNs, but I don't thionk so. DoNs are very low variance and much easier to multitable than regular SNGs, and are great and fast bankroll builders.

well look at this new player http://pokerprolabs.com/megaron555/888.com/2013/sng
played 50 of these DoN's, ITM 88%, ROI 65, Profit $308,50
Pretty sick if you ask me! at this rate if he played 3,000+ of these he would be reaching profits near the million dollar mark...I played him heads up and looked him up because of how bad he was, only to be shocked to find out he was murdering the SNG's
 
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I really don't know this player since I haven't played DoNs in a while. Also this is a ridicilous sample size. You need at least 1k of games to have reliable information on your opponent's ROI, although 5k is recommended. He might be on a huge heater as well. My biggest heater was like winning 16 or 17 of these in a row, and i had like 30 % ROI over 1.5k games I think.
But I still think that you need at least 5k of these to be 100% sure.

Or he might be cheating, since there's been a lot of collusion on 888 in the past as well.
 
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I really don't know this player since I haven't played DoNs in a while. Also this is a ridicilous sample size. You need at least 1k of games to have reliable information on your opponent's ROI, although 5k is recommended. He might be on a huge heater as well. My biggest heater was like winning 16 or 17 of these in a row, and i had like 30 % ROI over 1.5k games I think.
But I still think that you need at least 5k of these to be 100% sure.

Or he might be cheating, since there's been a lot of collusion on 888 in the past as well.

your sample size statement is very true and cheating is very possible, not to be a rigged tard but if i had to say which site has the most fish rng it has to be 888, the site attracts a lot of casual players, also i notice when i was a new player on 888 i went on a crazy heater as well and then after things cooled off, lots of players do collude on 888 and the site does not seem to care if they do, don't think it would be too hard to get 2 or 3 other friends on skype and start colluding these games on 888
 
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Actually, a few guys invited me back then to do this collusion stuff, but I didn't like the idea, since I had a significant edge over all of them, and didn't want to put myself in tough situation and risk being banned for life. But it is doable of course. I've even seen some russian donks chatting in the chatbox and mentioning cards like AJ, KQ while playing lol, and they have never played against each other etc. which is so extreme and obvious And of course they chatted in russian which is forbidden. Collusion definitely existed and probably still exists on 888 , and it seems like they dont care. Thy only thing they care about is advertising IMO.
IF I ever decide to play these games again I will definitely consider some collusion options.
 
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Actually, a few guys invited me back then to do this collusion stuff, but I didn't like the idea, since I had a significant edge over all of them, and didn't want to put myself in tough situation and risk being banned for life. But it is doable of course. I've even seen some russian donks chatting in the chatbox and mentioning cards like AJ, KQ while playing lol, and they have never played against each other etc. which is so extreme and obvious And of course they chatted in russian which is forbidden. Collusion definitely existed and probably still exists on 888 , and it seems like they dont care. Thy only thing they care about is advertising IMO.
IF I ever decide to play these games again I will definitely consider some collusion options.

what you mean you will consider some collusion options? as in participate in collusion? to be honest though 888 to me is a joke for many reasons for example when you lose a significant amount or have no money, busted your account the cashier pops up, im not a fan of the site itself, any site with poker cams to me is kind of a joke and you cannot multi table much on 888, come to think of it the only reason for me to even play there is the double up games which i may try out with the 10 bucks i have on my account on there cause i would not ever trust them with significant money on there...
 
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Collusion on 888 is almost legal, so if you ever get a decent offer to collude you might as well accept it.

Pokercam tables are one of the best features on 888. Since they are so full of donks and fishes, they are extremely profitable. I mean just look at the Players/flop and Avg.pot stats, it's ridicilous
 
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DON's tend to get a lot of reg's because of the low varience and easy to multitable. I have played some on titan with freeroll winnings however didn't go too well.

Also on stars, although not DON's but the Fifty50 I have played quite a few a while back and can get very frustrating in that format because you could possibly get ITM 80% and be a looser if your just surviving into the money. Other times you can build a big enough stack to triple instead of double on your bi, however overall I think DON's would be good to build a bankroll, although from my own experience frustrating to do so at the micro level because as I have experienced all it takes is a bad run to wipe out possibly a weeks profit in them.

Have never played them on 888, only play a scatter freeroll over there (which are donkfests starting with only 750 in chips basically a hyper freeroll). Getting back into sng's myself now as my cash grind has kinda been butchered, and have run a few sessions of regular sng's as well as the Fifty50's and really have only broken even in each at this point so think might make my next challenge in this realm to put in volume and see how things go with it (reg speed sng's can sometimes be more boring than a Fifty50 TBH when you get a bunch of tight nitty players, but who end up with a hand when making moves to steal).
GL in your play on the DON"S bern, as for AvaloNNN tsk tsk on thinking of taking part in collusion.
 
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what you mean you will consider some collusion options? as in participate in collusion? to be honest though 888 to me is a joke for many reasons for example when you lose a significant amount or have no money, busted your account the cashier pops up, im not a fan of the site itself, any site with poker cams to me is kind of a joke and you cannot multi table much on 888, come to think of it the only reason for me to even play there is the double up games which i may try out with the 10 bucks i have on my account on there cause i would not ever trust them with significant money on there...

Most sites have the double-up games. All the skins on the Revolution Network have them, and I believe the same is true of Merge. You definitely don't need to play at 888 in order to play them.

-HooDooKoo
 
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I play double ups a lot.
I have found a strategy that works.
You play loose in the beginning since the blinds are low.
Hopefully some guy with a great starting hand will not raise or raise a little. You can hit a nice flop and double up and then you just relax and wait for big hands and take people out.
If you play tight in the beginning there is a good chance you will go into the later stage with an average stack and you don't want that. You want a big stack so you can relax for a big hand and call one of those all ins that happen frequently towards the end.
 
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^ Standard aggressive solid poker playing.
 
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Would just like to say thank you for this tip, stuck in a bit to start grinding the low DoN's and the field is so soft! My BR is up a healthy 20% after 4-5 of these games :)
 
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I used to play the 6max DoN's (normal speed) on 888 and found very them very soft indeed.
 
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sounds good, guess you have all hands which he could shove there
 
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