1 table to 18 table Turbo sit n go's / reg sit n go's

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I usually make it to the last 4 people in 1 table and the last 7 in multi table sit n go's then to find it hard to play when everyone is betting out with anything.

It's at this stage where I am learning to play more aggressively but dam I want to build a bankroll on sit n go's and to push at the end like this every time ???

Do the regular sit n go's (non turbo) play like that at the later stages?
Yes I will sit and watch the regular sit ngo's when I have time but I would like to hear from Cardschat people.

I been reading people saying not to play the turbos but to play regular sit n go's..

Can anyone comment on this ?
 
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Bubble = $

My goal is to make it to the bubble. It sounds like you are getting to the bubble and having a tough time? Google "icm sng strategy" and study this. It helped me a ton and opened my eyes to how calling raises is detrimental to my game. Especially at the bubble.

I play the 9 man turbos and once i get to the bubble I'm pretty maniacal. Steal, steal, resteal, and rarely call. I've been working on the resteal and it is a very nice move. When you resteal you get the blinds + the stealer's raise.

It's vital that you develop a feel for who is capable of folding a decent hand and who isn't. Start assigning ranges of hands your opponents might call with based on how they have been playing you.
 
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My goal is to make it to the bubble. It sounds like you are getting to the bubble and having a tough time? Google "icm sng strategy" and study this. It helped me a ton and opened my eyes to how calling raises is detrimental to my game. Especially at the bubble.

I play the 9 man turbos and once i get to the bubble I'm pretty maniacal. Steal, steal, resteal, and rarely call. I've been working on the resteal and it is a very nice move. When you resteal you get the blinds + the stealer's raise.

It's vital that you develop a feel for who is capable of folding a decent hand and who isn't. Start assigning ranges of hands your opponents might call with based on how they have been playing you.

Thanks for your reply! I will look at the icm thing. Your doing good here as a new member :) Funny thing is I only get replies from new members I rarely get any old members helping ... Thanks again,

Sincerely Nexus
 
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Ive been playing the 27 person and 45 person sit n gos. Im also like you trying to build BR with sng's because I suck at cash games and the Really Big MTT's are just so unpredictable.

I started at the turbos because you can play just so many more but IMO I think that's where most of the regulars are playing too. I switched to regular sng's and have really done much better. Im playing 2 to 3 tables at a time but hope to move up soon.

Goodluck
 
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Ive been playing the 27 person and 45 person sit n gos. Im also like you trying to build BR with sng's because I suck at cash games and the Really Big MTT's are just so unpredictable.

I started at the turbos because you can play just so many more but IMO I think that's where most of the regulars are playing too. I switched to regular sng's and have really done much better. Im playing 2 to 3 tables at a time but hope to move up soon.

Goodluck

Thanks for your insight on the reg sit n go's ! I'm gonna try it to soon. You know when ever I come up on my bankroll I also try and hit the cash games and I swear to you, Every time I sit down I get trips and loose to bigger trips I get straight and loose to runner runner flush etc etc . Now its so natural I have a rule That when I loose 12 straight hands I leave and if I win one before 12 in a row I stay. I have yet to stay !!! 12 in a row every time . I have tried 5 times and everytime its 12 in a row and I leave. I just laugh now when i try it lol... I can read the board and my cards and only runner runner beats me and sure enough as I'm laughing it comes l:D I feel like im hidding under the radar when i play sit n go's :D . Good luck man and thanks for your input.
~Nexus
 
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Turbos are great if you have money to play them. They turn into bingo at the end so be bold and attack the blinds. Or you'll be left folding off large portions of your stack waiting for players to bubble or bust early in the money. Luck favors the bold, so go out firing away and you'll win more turbos.

If you want more of a grind out skill game than play a regular sng.
 
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Turbos are great if you have money to play them. They turn into bingo at the end so be bold and attack the blinds. Or you'll be left folding off large portions of your stack waiting for players to bubble or bust early in the money. Luck favors the bold, so go out firing away and you'll win more turbos.

If you want more of a grind out skill game than play a regular sng.

Thanks for you info .. I am trying the reg's
 
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Funny thing is I only get replies from new members I rarely get any old members helping

Well I am 52 so I guess I qualify as an "old" member...lol.

The post about learning ICM is spot on, and it is a crucial concept to understand in SNG play. It is more important in MTT SnG in final table stages, and in 9 man important from the get go pretty much. I cant compare Turbos as I have played so few, but turbos are just that - Turbo, so you can play more in a shorter time span. Some winners play turbos, some play Reg, some mix and match. So it would depend on how well you do in each format. If you can play 50 tables in a 2-3 hour session, and lose em all, Turbos wont be much help to your BR lol.

I like the reg speed as I can play more "poker" but a good solid ICM understanding should make turbos a +ROI format.
 
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My goal is to make it to the bubble. It sounds like you are getting to the bubble and having a tough time? Google "icm sng strategy" and study this. It helped me a ton and opened my eyes to how calling raises is detrimental to my game. Especially at the bubble.

I play the 9 man turbos and once i get to the bubble I'm pretty maniacal. Steal, steal, resteal, and rarely call. I've been working on the resteal and it is a very nice move. When you resteal you get the blinds + the stealer's raise.

It's vital that you develop a feel for who is capable of folding a decent hand and who isn't. Start assigning ranges of hands your opponents might call with based on how they have been playing you.

Well I am 52 so I guess I qualify as an "old" member...lol.

The post about learning ICM is spot on, and it is a crucial concept to understand in SNG play. It is more important in MTT SnG in final table stages, and in 9 man important from the get go pretty much. I cant compare Turbos as I have played so few, but turbos are just that - Turbo, so you can play more in a shorter time span. Some winners play turbos, some play Reg, some mix and match. So it would depend on how well you do in each format. If you can play 50 tables in a 2-3 hour session, and lose em all, Turbos wont be much help to your BR lol.

I like the reg speed as I can play more "poker" but a good solid ICM understanding should make turbos a +ROI format.

Ok I just saw that the holdem manager software has sit n go wizard which has ICM calculator .. So I am going to purchase it .. Thanks people
 
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Ok I just saw that the holdem manager software has sit n go wizard which has ICM calculator .. So I am going to purchase it .. Thanks people


HEM and sngwiz are 2 separate programs and you will need to buy each separately. You can trial both for a limited time to see how you like em tho.
 
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HEM and sngwiz are 2 separate programs and you will need to buy each separately. You can trial both for a limited time to see how you like em tho.

Thanks for your reply, I emailed HM and they said this "

Hi,


HM have ICM calculations for 1 and 2 tables SNGs - mostly all
on FTP, Stars, Ipoker and other
but not for MTT
GL,
Sarek

So sitngo wizard does far more ? I assum you have tried sitngo wizard because your telling me about it?

Thanks for your time..
 
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Thanks for your reply, I emailed HM and they said this "

Hi,


HM have ICM calculations for 1 and 2 tables SNGs - mostly all
on FTP, Stars, Ipoker and other
but not for MTT
GL,
Sarek

So sitngo wizard does far more ? I assum you have tried sitngo wizard because your telling me about it?

Thanks for your time..

SnG wiz does a lot more. But it is very time intensive, and only worth getting if you are willing to put that time in. It does many calculations where you determine the ranges of the opponents, so if putting people on a range is not easy for you, it can do more harm than good. Its hard to explain in a few words. This is a program that you will want if you are going to spend a lot of time reviewing you played games and do lots of work on setting ranges and ....well, I would make 2 suggestions. Read WizziMs sticky on SnG while looking through CC for the - many - SnG wiz posts and threads, and after reading up on it (as well as looking on the sngwiz website for tutorials and maybe youtube, google and take some time to read and watch) then get the trial. Just know SnGwiz requires a lot of input and effort from you. Dont make the mistake of thinking it is going to answer basic strategy questions and tell you what to do.

I did try it, and decided to wait to get it. The reason for this, since I play lots of SnGs and I believe it is a good program is I am not putting the time in (on learning how to use it properly) that would be required to benefit. I am putting lots of time in, but I am concentrating on some other points in the game, but I do use HEM and I do plan on getting it. I am being coached as well, and have lots to get through with that. But I believe, if you want to put in the time, SnGwiz is a great tool.
 
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SnG wiz does a lot more. But it is very time intensive, and only worth getting if you are willing to put that time in. It does many calculations where you determine the ranges of the opponents, so if putting people on a range is not easy for you, it can do more harm than good. Its hard to explain in a few words. This is a program that you will want if you are going to spend a lot of time reviewing you played games and do lots of work on setting ranges and ....well, I would make 2 suggestions. Read WizziMs sticky on SnG while looking through CC for the - many - SnG wiz posts and threads, and after reading up on it (as well as looking on the sngwiz website for tutorials and maybe youtube, google and take some time to read and watch) then get the trial. Just know SnGwiz requires a lot of input and effort from you. Dont make the mistake of thinking it is going to answer basic strategy questions and tell you what to do.

I did try it, and decided to wait to get it. The reason for this, since I play lots of SnGs and I believe it is a good program is I am not putting the time in (on learning how to use it properly) that would be required to benefit. I am putting lots of time in, but I am concentrating on some other points in the game, but I do use HEM and I do plan on getting it. I am being coached as well, and have lots to get through with that. But I believe, if you want to put in the time, SnGwiz is a great tool.

Thank you so much. I think I will learn the holdem manager first and I think I am only play 1 to 2 table sit n go's for now and Like you said in the mean time study up on the sit n go wizard. I just want to get the icm thing down and I think I could learn it on HM for now..

I will read the sticky you told me to.. Again thanks and Happy Holidays to you and yours..
 
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I used totry limp in the money but it really wasn't profitable. Ok, you would scrap in at times only to be low on chips and bust just after the bubble and for what? Your buy-in back and some extra cents. I started playing much more aggresively whilst multi tabling and yes I'd finish in worse postions but then you are also crushing others in the other games. So maybe you lose out on the money in more but you are then booking 1st/2nd/3rd in others which definetly works out more profitable.

Try not being scared around the bubble, this is how most people are except the big stacks. You will find if you are low on chips the big stacks are going to be pushing with any 2 cards knowing you aren't going to call most of the time and your chips just dwindle within a few minutes. If you get that big stack and start bullying you will find you do so much better. You have the push around the bubble if theres no action of course in front of you! If it comes around to you and there's only the blinds left you can push. If they are equal in terms of chips or a call could near enough bust them they won't call and you take the blinds/antes which will most of the time if you are short stacked give you a good stack again. Do that a few times and you're back in with a chance. Of course there are times when they will have a better hand and call and you lose, or better still you suck them out! Either way playing with a shortstack is pointless! Push Push all day if your M is low.

Think of it this way, if you bust in 9 tournaments on the bubble but then win one, I'm quite sure that 1 if you're finishing within the top 3, you are going to be more in profit than say finishing just in the money with a low stack in maybe half of them.
 
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I used totry limp in the money but it really wasn't profitable. Ok, you would scrap in at times only to be low on chips and bust just after the bubble and for what? Your buy-in back and some extra cents. I started playing much more aggresively whilst multi tabling and yes I'd finish in worse postions but then you are also crushing others in the other games. So maybe you lose out on the money in more but you are then booking 1st/2nd/3rd in others which definetly works out more profitable.

Try not being scared around the bubble, this is how most people are except the big stacks. You will find if you are low on chips the big stacks are going to be pushing with any 2 cards knowing you aren't going to call most of the time and your chips just dwindle within a few minutes. If you get that big stack and start bullying you will find you do so much better. You have the push around the bubble if theres no action of course in front of you! If it comes around to you and there's only the blinds left you can push.

Cool,

Thanks for your additional view with the multi tabling to . Happy Holidays
 
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Thank you so much. I think I will learn the holdem manager first and I think I am only play 1 to 2 table sit n go's for now and Like you said in the mean time study up on the sit n go wizard. I just want to get the icm thing down and I think I could learn it on HM for now..

I will read the sticky you told me to.. Again thanks and Happy Holidays to you and yours..


Yes, understanding ICM basics can be done without SnGwiz. It will come in handy if you want to get into a very detailed understanding of ICM, which can greatly improve your game. It basically helps you understand what to do in the push/fold part of the game (Oversimplified explanation, but thats pretty much it as well). It is very range dependent, and I am sure there must be some vids on the website. I got some good vids about basic HEM from the site, I would imagine SnGwiz has something similar. I will repeat tho: It is time consuming, and you have to be careful as It is very user input specific, meaning if you dont understand about ranges and how to put your opponent on one, it can lead you in the wrong direction. It doesent take stacks or position into its calculation either, but dont be thinking "WTF? Sounds like more work that its worth." It is a lot of work, but I have never heard anyone who put the time in say it did not improve their game. But I think you putting time into HEM is fine for now. SnGwiz will be around for a while, I am sure:)

And Happy Holidays back to ya!!:santaclau
 
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Yes, understanding ICM basics can be done without SnGwiz. It will come in handy if you want to get into a very detailed understanding of ICM, which can greatly improve your game. It basically helps you understand what to do in the push/fold part of the game (Oversimplified explanation, but thats pretty much it as well). It is very range dependent, and I am sure there must be some vids on the website. I got some good vids about basic HEM from the site, I would imagine SnGwiz has something similar. I will repeat tho: It is time consuming, and you have to be careful as It is very user input specific, meaning if you dont understand about ranges and how to put your opponent on one, it can lead you in the wrong direction. It doesent take stacks or position into its calculation either, but dont be thinking "WTF? Sounds like more work that its worth." It is a lot of work, but I have never heard anyone who put the time in say it did not improve their game. But I think you putting time into HEM is fine for now. SnGwiz will be around for a while, I am sure:)

And Happy Holidays back to ya!!:santaclau

Yeah I feel I can figure peoples ranges out in different stages of the tourney except for the later stages .

I think based on what you told me , I am going to back up and Google what you said about,

" understand about ranges and how to put your opponent on one".

then work my way into Icm ! I have the time and now you got me all excited to learn this . Plus I need a break and was looking to just study. Perfect timing !!!!
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Check out ICM Trainer which you can get from pokerstrategy.com . It's a free tool and will help you learn some of the nuances of ICM, particularly push/fold.
 
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Check out ICM Trainer which you can get from pokerstrategy.com . It's a free tool and will help you learn some of the nuances of ICM, particularly push/fold.

Hey thanks allot man !
 
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