1,75$ 18-man T VARIANCE, ROI en BR-MANAGEMENT

Hey, after a serie of losses thinking i could beat the micro stakes MTT s with a low bankroll i got down to 27$, en then decided to play stricktly the 1,75$ 18-man T,...

Now after 951 games played i have a roi of 20,32% en together with some bonusses a BR of 440$

The question is is it good to start playing the 3,40$ 18-mans now or do i better wait to have for example 2k games played on the 1,75$ stake, to see a better true ROI,...

For example there is a LOT variance, i had some down swings of 30 BI several times,..

so any thought on this,...

tx

Move up, take shots, don't be afraid to move back down.

I don't play 18 mans, but I'd be surprised if people say you need more than 50-60 buy ins to be rolled for them. You have well over 100 so I'd say move up. As Wizzim says if you start getting crushed or otherwise feel like it's not working out move down again.

Edit: on the other hand, some people like to be really over-rolled. If you are uncomfortable with the variance to the extent that you feel you aren't playing your best game, it's also fine to stay where you are.

Just letting you know that a 30 buyin downswing is something you should get used to, it's probably going to happen quite often.

Do it, the 3.40 18-mans at stars are still soft and with basic sng knowledge you can profit at them.

hey ty all. yesterday decided to play a few, won 1, 2 times seconds, 7 losses, so good,... still even if its only from 1,75$ to 3,40$ the play was better en reaching the bubble super tight,

so normally in the 1,75$ i like to play tight beginning, en also at the bubble because people call of with everything so i experienced major suck-outs, over en over again,... the problem is that they suck out more times i hold up, so i stopped playing untill i am at least in the money en that works better,...

en at the 3,40$ you need to raise every hand possible, the play is so tight there, that you will blind out, because of the turbo blinds,...

anyway decided to start playing them, i go under 350$, i move back to the 1,75$

ty all for advice

en succes at the tabels ,-.

With higher stakes the rake is a little lower % wise, if the play is about the same your ROI should go up a little. Are you multitabling? If so how many?

Currently i always play 4 tabels to start, en i play them out, before i start others,...

The main reason is i am improving but catch myself on errors all the time, sinds i started playing like 5 months ago i am still learning a lot, but in a fast tempo, read a lot, watch videos, etc....

i think actually i schould be playing 3 tabels but that so boring since i start playing TAG

thank for the reply

What videos have you watched/articles have you read for 18-seat SNGs?

not much because there isnt, i have red the harrington series, david sklansky, theory of poker, en advanced tournamet strategy, en collin moshin sng,

videos about these i didnt found only saw like tournament videos en STT videos

the problem is that all the info available is for big tourneys, high stakes or STT s

200 buyins is a really good policy for these IMO. I really think the most important thing in BRM is setting a limit for when to move down. Taking shots with less than 200 buyins is fine as long as you keep 200 buyins for when you drop down. I would of set my amount at exactly $350(200 buyins of $1.75). Seems like a super safe policy and hopefully you'll never have to move down. I'd also set up a withdrawal policy as well. Take out all rakeback, bonuses, and X% of you ROI for the game you played in the month(say 5% maybe). for eg if you invested $1k in entry fees for the month you would take out $50(5% of the $1k). You take this out wether you win or lose and this wil force you to play at a level your beating for over 5%.

springplank said:

not much because there isnt, i have red the harrington series, david sklansky, theory of poker, en advanced tournamet strategy, en collin moshin sng,

videos about these i didnt found only saw like tournament videos en STT videos

the problem is that all the info available is for big tourneys, high stakes or STT s

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Ah, thanks. I used to play the 18-seat SNGs and am thinking about giving them another go. I wonder if the basic TAG strategy I used back then still applies to day. I'll probably google search some basic strats to see what I can find.

cardplayer52 said:

200 buyins is a really good policy for these IMO. I really think the most important thing in BRM is setting a limit for when to move down. Taking shots with less than 200 buyins is fine as long as you keep 200 buyins for when you drop down. I would of set my amount at exactly $350(200 buyins of $1.75). Seems like a super safe policy and hopefully you'll never have to move down. I'd also set up a withdrawal policy as well. Take out all rakeback, bonuses, and X% of you ROI for the game you played in the month(say 5% maybe). for eg if you invested $1k in entry fees for the month you would take out $50(5% of the $1k). You take this out wether you win or lose and this wil force you to play at a level your beating for over 5%.

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seems like a very good plan, yeah i am going to play the 3,40$ from 450$ en go back to 1,75$ when move down too 350$

1 other question do you count you re bonusses into you re BR or only the net profit from the sng played, for example i have a BR of 435$ now but 70$ of that where bonusses,...

tx

philthy said:

Ah, thanks. I used to play the 18-seat SNGs and am thinking about giving them another go. I wonder if the basic TAG strategy I used back then still applies to day. I'll probably google search some basic strats to see what I can find.

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for sure, very tight in the beginning, works for me people will go all in with 3 at a time so even you re ak, kk, qq en even aa get crushed a lot in the first blindlevels

so with these hands i call there raise not all in, exept aa i play nomather what

good luck en see you at the table soon, my nick is springplank at PS

springplank said:

seems like a very good plan, yeah i am going to play the 3,40$ from 450$ en go back to 1,75$ when move down too 350$

1 other question do you count you re bonusses into you re BR or only the net profit from the sng played, for example i have a BR of 435$ now but 70$ of that where bonusses,...

tx

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you can count it. but getting into the habit of withdrawing bonuses is a good idea. it will get you used to getting paid. if you use a bonus as part of your BR thats fine as long as you don't think your playing above your head.

Had a kick-off start, luckely, was afraid to move up to the 3,40$ 18-man T, so hopefully i keep a positieve roi, this roi affcourse will not stay ,-.

wish it did thoug

Buy In (#) Return ITM% ROI$ 1.75 (1000) $ 318.2029.8 18.18%$ 3.40 (37)$ 101.0043.280.29%


Other question about these widrawling of you re bonusses, with vvp en first deposit i have now 80$ on bonusses played free, is that already an amount to widrawl???

ty gl at the tabels

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I'd also set up a withdrawal policy as well. Take out all rakeback, bonuses, and X% of you ROI for the game you played in the month(say 5% maybe). for eg if you invested $1k in entry fees for the month you would take out $50(5% of the $1k). You take this out wether you win or lose and this wil force you to play at a level your beating for over 5%.

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I like this idea but am just stuck with the above in bold. How about if you have a -ROI for a month what % of -ROI do you work out? Not being funny, i just want to know as this is something i would be willing to drum into myself