Zachvac Playing 100nl 6max 4tables

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I sweated Zach today and watched him play 100nl 6max 4 tables ... in this video you get both commentary from myself and Zach. The quality of the file is really good for both the audio and video! Special thanks to Mr Sticker who wrote in his blog about an add-on for Skype that worked like magic in terms of screensharing + audio.

For those of you that are fans of Zach or interested in 6max cash game play, this is a fantastic video.

Zachvac's 100nl 6max 4table Session sweated by icemonkey9

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Duration: ~50 minutes
Format: QuickTime MOV file
File Size: 252mb ZIP file (unzip to get to the MOV file)
 
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File seems to be a little large. Maybe you should read Ice's compression tutorial? ;) I'll download later, MegaUpload takes forever.
 
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Great! I'll watch that tonight.
 
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So you guys have figured out how to get the audio to work!?!?

Downloading now...
 
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wow, audio is awesome. Was this just using the skype plugin, no other adjustments?

the 99 hand just cbet. Makes all your decisions easier. I mean really, you were completely lost there checking it to him oop. Against an unknown, I'm cbetting always.

Doesn't seem to me like you're changing both your opens or your 3bet sizes when your in or out of position. I think in general you should be 3betting smaller w/position than out of position, like vs a steal. vs a $4 open I make it 14 oop and 12 ip for ex.

Against that massive fish I like just cbetting the AQ.

JJ hand I like the flat pf. Postflop I don't like much, namely on the turn. Guys like that will so rarely double barrel a board like that, so we're basically drawing to a jack or an eight, both of which are dirty outs. I like just pitching the turn even though we've underrepped our hand.

77 I don't like flatting oop. That guy will be isolating the fish often enough to make a light 3bet work well.

Don't like the 3bet with QJs against a shorty

AK shorthanded where you fold to the 3bet I dunno if I like that. The guy's tight but it's over a tiny sample, I think we should at least flat with position if not 4bet and play for stacks. People pick up on the shorthanded steals and he could definitely be playing back at you.

GAHHH Value bet that KJ on the turn against the fish PLEASE!!!

Done for now, going to eat some breakfast. Will watch the rest later :)
 
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We did the screen-sharing and the audio with the Skype Plugin Mikogo.
https://extras.skype.com/1672/view

I captured/recorded using Camtasia, put the speaker volume a little high and was recording the audio with my Blue Snowball mic.

Absolutely gorgeous application.
 
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downloading now and can't wait...thanks
 
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downloading now, cant wait to watch. Maybe if I keep watching these I will learn not to be a crazy spewtard every time i play 6max
 
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downloading now, cant wait to watch. Maybe if I keep watching these I will learn not to be a crazy spewtard every time i play 6max

lol then don't watch my QJ hand where I 3-bet light and stack top pair.
 
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Is that a free option on skype or is there a cost involved? J/W. I want to look into some of those things a little more.
 
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Ice: "Your HUD stats are weird."

Translation: "Why the hell are the numbers scattered all over your opponents' cards so you can't see what they had until your tracker re-posts them?"

LOL.
 
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Ice: "Your HUD stats are weird."

Translation: "Why the hell are the numbers scattered all over your opponents' cards so you can't see what they had until your tracker re-posts them?"

LOL.

lol, I probably could actually make it look better now for 6max, just with the FR small windows I needed all the space I could get so just sorta crammed them where they'd fit.
 
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the 99 hand just cbet. Makes all your decisions easier. I mean really, you were completely lost there checking it to him oop. Against an unknown, I'm cbetting always.
What does this tell us? If he calls? If he raises? What's our plan for both? I'm obviously thinking fold if raised, but that gives up a lot of value because villain can bluff raise this with a wide range knowing we can't call a raise with almost everything we cbet that with (overs, marginal hand like this, hell even if we have AA/KK they could double/triple barrel us off hands like that). Say he calls, turn comes A. Say turn comes blank. What do we do there? I don't agree it makes our decisions easier and I just feel this argument is too much in betting for information. Maybe I'm being a bit results oriented, but the only advantage I see to cbetting here is to fold out or make overs pay.

Doesn't seem to me like you're changing both your opens or your 3bet sizes when your in or out of position. I think in general you should be 3betting smaller w/position than out of position, like vs a steal. vs a $4 open I make it 14 oop and 12 ip for ex.
I've been considering that. I actually asked a question about raise sizes on Stox and LA answered that basically raise sizes aren't a big deal and that basically the two reasons to vary bet sizes, that you want to play bigger pots IP and that you want people to fold more when you're oop sort of balance out. Personally I have no problem varying 3-bet sizes based on my hand simply because my reasons are never a simple linear fashion and aren't easily reverse-engineered, so I don't expect it to be picked up by anyone.

Against that massive fish I like just cbetting the AQ.
I just didn't think he was folding a pair, and really don't like double barrelling this after the 3-bet UI.

JJ hand I like the flat pf. Postflop I don't like much, namely on the turn. Guys like that will so rarely double barrel a board like that, so we're basically drawing to a jack or an eight, both of which are dirty outs. I like just pitching the turn even though we've underrepped our hand.
Agreed. Looking at it again he's rarely double barreling this with AK/AQ.
77 I don't like flatting oop. That guy will be isolating the fish often enough to make a light 3bet work well.
This is one of the things I need to work on, recognizing which other players are competent and when they're making iso plays on fish. I'll do that a lot, but this is something I need to work on, recognizing what other decent players are doing.
Don't like the 3bet with QJs against a shorty
I didn't realize he was a shorty preflop, but agreed. Question is how do you like the postflop play? Is that just total spew?
AK shorthanded where you fold to the 3bet I dunno if I like that. The guy's tight but it's over a tiny sample, I think we should at least flat with position if not 4bet and play for stacks. People pick up on the shorthanded steals and he could definitely be playing back at you.
The thing is I don't want to play for stacks at all with these stack sizes, and I have no idea how to play if I flat this. Am I good when I hit TPTK? Do I play back at a cbet? I think it'd have to be a 4-bet fold if I were to not fold imo, and he seems reasonably tight and I just feel folding there is the best option.
GAHHH Value bet that KJ on the turn against the fish PLEASE!!!
Guess that donk bet just kinda surprised me and I had no idea what kind of range to put him on. But I think you're right here, question is would I then call a turn raise?
 
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lol @ "the French surrender"
 
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What does this tell us? If he calls? If he raises? What's our plan for both? I'm obviously thinking fold if raised, but that gives up a lot of value because villain can bluff raise this with a wide range knowing we can't call a raise with almost everything we cbet that with (overs, marginal hand like this, hell even if we have AA/KK they could double/triple barrel us off hands like that). Say he calls, turn comes A. Say turn comes blank. What do we do there? I don't agree it makes our decisions easier and I just feel this argument is too much in betting for information. Maybe I'm being a bit results oriented, but the only advantage I see to cbetting here is to fold out or make overs pay.

he's a guy who's open-limping the CO. He's bad. We don't know if he'll bluff his whole range, but we do know that that's a board that hits him to some degree, and we want to charge for draws. I phrased my first response poorly - we don't want to bet for info, but for value.

Without going into specifics about the rest of the hand (I double barrel a brick, probably an ace too), I'm betting here for value.

I just didn't think he was folding a pair,

Pairs are such a tiny portion of his range. Combinatorially he'll have tons of other unimproved overs or Ax or whatever. And yes, we beat all of those other hands, but we don't want to like call down his bluffs with 9Ts for stacks or whatever here. It's just too much - bet and be done with it. You're giving him way too big of a chance to take the pot from you here.

and really don't like double barrelling this after the 3-bet UI.

Not sure what you mean here

I didn't realize he was a shorty preflop, but agreed. Question is how do you like the postflop play? Is that just total spew?

ehh, well honestly that's just a really shitty spot :p Against an unknown half-stacker who seems bad (really who calls a 3bet that short without trapping AA or whatever?), I think you played it ok. There's really no great line there except folding pf...to be honest I don't know what to do postflop.

The thing is I don't want to play for stacks at all with these stack sizes, and I have no idea how to play if I flat this. Am I good when I hit TPTK? Do I play back at a cbet? I think it'd have to be a 4-bet fold if I were to not fold imo, and he seems reasonably tight and I just feel folding there is the best option.

I've had 'reasonably tight' players (over like 5k hand samples) shove over the top of my 4bet with like AJ and TT before 6-handed. Not to say it's standard for them obviously, but folding AK to a 3bet against almost anyone 3-handed is just weak imo. There are just so many more hands in his range. I mean hell, even a true 16/9 will loosen up a little that shorthanded vs a button steal. I also don't think the stack sizes will matter much. People play the same 125 deep that they do 100 deep.

Guess that donk bet just kinda surprised me and I had no idea what kind of range to put him on. But I think you're right here, question is would I then call a turn raise?

meh, I guess that could be a fold occasionally but he's basically repping KQ/77/33 there which is such a small portion of his range (JT/AT/AJ/AQ/QJ-/KT-/air) that I wouldn't really be worried. I'm close to saying I'm happy stacking him on the turn if he were to raise, but not quite there :)

A couple more hands:

44 at 22:50 I actually like flatting the flop. A tag flats behind you and then raises that flop. That doesn't add up - he's bluffing or semibluffing so often here that I like flatting and ch-raising the turn or maybe even donking the turn block-bet sized. He just won't have a strong ace or even a flush draw (or at least a hand good enough to stack) very often there imo. I don't think raising is bad though since flush draws will still be in his range and obv we want to charge them, but I just don't think he has a hand there very often.

And the JT hand where the shorty limps into you, pots a Txx flop and you raise him...we're obviously ahead of his range here but I don't think he gives you action with nearly enough worse hands vs an $8 raise there. I think I like raising really small or just flatting it.
 
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77 at 32:00 I think we should just fold the river. Although there are a ton of draws that missed, I think he'll often have bet the turn to push you off better ace-high hands and small pairs like 77 with say KT or A6s. He'll still have a ton of busted draws on the river though, but I don't think they bet that little. it just looks like valuetowning with a jack or maybe even TT/99 to me. If we've got a much more floaty/aggressive player I probably call a lot more, but someone this tight will have a lot more made hands in his range.

K2 light 3bet is just spewy if you ask me. We don't have enough hands on the guy to make some super reads and this is like the worst of hands to get involved with. 3betting light should be done with hands that have decent potential and aren't easily dominated/get you in trouble, like suited connectors and pairs.

Try looking through your db for trash hands like that that you 3bet light, then compare them with the hands I listed that were also 3bet light. Should see a big difference imo over a large sample size.

A9 hand where you bet 88T flop and checked A river just confuses me. I really like checking back that flop and going for showdown barring like J/Q turn/rivers or something. After betting I don't get why you check the turn. He's either got an 8 (unlikely, also an easy ch-f on the turn), a ten/draw which we get value from. Betting the flop and checking the turn is all backwards to me.

KJs at 45 something: isolate! :) A little bit in EP but the rest of the table is relatively tight and we take it down tons imo.

KJs at 49: something I definitely raise that up too.
 
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Downloading now.....70% and only been downloading for about 2 1/2 minutes....I love my internet!!!!!!!
 
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