What does this tell us? If he calls? If he raises? What's our plan for both? I'm obviously thinking fold if raised, but that gives up a lot of value because villain can bluff raise this with a wide range knowing we can't call a raise with almost everything we cbet that with (overs, marginal hand like this, hell even if we have AA/KK they could double/triple barrel us off hands like that). Say he calls, turn comes A. Say turn comes blank. What do we do there? I don't agree it makes our decisions easier and I just feel this argument is too much in betting for information. Maybe I'm being a bit results oriented, but the only advantage I see to cbetting here is to fold out or make overs pay.
he's a guy who's open-limping the CO. He's bad. We don't know if he'll bluff his whole range, but we do know that that's a board that hits him to some degree, and we want to charge for draws. I phrased my first response poorly - we don't want to bet for info, but for value.
Without going into specifics about the rest of the hand (I double barrel a brick, probably an ace too), I'm betting here for value.
I just didn't think he was folding a pair,
Pairs are such a tiny portion of his range. Combinatorially he'll have tons of other unimproved overs or Ax or whatever. And yes, we beat all of those other hands, but we don't want to like call down his bluffs with 9Ts for stacks or whatever here. It's just too much - bet and be done with it. You're giving him way too big of a chance to take the pot from you here.
and really don't like double barrelling this after the 3-bet UI.
Not sure what you mean here
I didn't realize he was a shorty preflop, but agreed. Question is how do you like the postflop play? Is that just total spew?
ehh, well honestly that's just a really shitty spot
Against an unknown half-stacker who seems bad (really who calls a 3bet that short without trapping AA or whatever?), I think you played it ok. There's really no great line there except folding pf...to be honest I don't know what to do postflop.
The thing is I don't want to play for stacks at all with these stack sizes, and I have no idea how to play if I flat this. Am I good when I hit TPTK? Do I play back at a cbet? I think it'd have to be a 4-bet fold if I were to not fold imo, and he seems reasonably tight and I just feel folding there is the best option.
I've had 'reasonably tight' players (over like 5k hand samples) shove over the top of my 4bet with like AJ and TT before
6-handed. Not to say it's standard for them obviously, but folding AK to a 3bet against almost anyone 3-handed is just weak imo. There are just so many more hands in his range. I mean hell, even a true 16/9 will loosen up a little that shorthanded vs a button steal. I also don't think the stack sizes will matter much. People play the same 125 deep that they do 100 deep.
Guess that donk bet just kinda surprised me and I had no idea what kind of range to put him on. But I think you're right here, question is would I then call a turn raise?
meh, I guess that could be a fold occasionally but he's basically repping KQ/77/33 there which is such a small portion of his range (JT/AT/AJ/AQ/QJ-/KT-/air) that I wouldn't really be worried. I'm close to saying I'm happy stacking him on the turn if he were to raise, but not quite there
A couple more hands:
44 at 22:50 I actually like flatting the flop. A tag flats behind you and then raises that flop. That doesn't add up - he's
bluffing or semibluffing so often here that I like flatting and ch-raising the turn or maybe even donking the turn block-bet sized. He just won't have a strong ace or even a flush draw (or at least a hand good enough to stack) very often there imo. I don't think raising is bad though since flush draws will still be in his range and obv we want to charge them, but I just don't think he has a hand there very often.
And the JT hand where the shorty limps into you, pots a Txx flop and you raise him...we're obviously ahead of his range here but I don't think he gives you action with nearly enough worse hands vs an $8 raise there. I think I like raising really small or just flatting it.