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ahhhh video overload. Dowloading and will watch before I get my one hour's worth of sleep tonight.
 
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55 set, 2 seconds in LEAD PLEASE!!!!!!

You need to build the pot in spots like this or you won't be winning big pots very often. Not only that but that was a draw-heavy flop that you needed some protection against. I know ch-raising does the same thing, but it also immediately reveals the strength of your hand.

I'm going to be blunt as usual, but I think you know it's cause I'm trying to help :)
 
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A9s at ~2:30 this should be an open fold in EP.
 
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ATs at ~4:30; the open raise is fine, the fold is good. Calling the 3-bet there would be a big mistake being OOP.

55 at ~5:00; I actually prefer limping here. When you raise small pairs in EP there's a good chance that there will be a good enough hand to 3-bet you in LP, and a lot of times (esp at micros), players will be too short stacked for you to be able to continue without the proper implied odds. Your example was borderline, and I'm actually usually folding to a 3-bet if villain is on <80BBs or so.
 
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ATo at ~5:15; I raise 4+BBs OOP to discourage action. No c-bet? That's the driest of the driest boards!

JJ at 5:45 is kind of a borderline c-bet with two opponents in on that board, but i like the aggression.

KQs at 8:40 I might be inclined to call this shortstacker's push

66 shortly after; I raise more with position. Again the 3BB+1BB/limper rule helps a lot in spots like these by way of giving your opponent bad odds to call.

KQ at 9:50 I probably raise this pf.

JT at ~11 minutes; I think the pf call was fine. This is hard to give advice on without stats (I still don't understand yours :eek:), but given his betting amounts I think we can usually call this down as it looks like unimproved overcards trying to get a cheapish showdown...this is usually a fold to 3 barrels though.

66 at 11:40 wp, as was the 78 below it :)

AA at 12:30 again OOP I like bigger raises to negate that positional disadvantage + value of course

66 at 13:20 again raising the small pairs in EP, don't like it

9Ts at 14:30 I likey. It doesn't seem like much but 3BB is soooo much more inviting that 4 imo. Slightly overbet steals with position is so +EV against these weaklings it's not even funny
 
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Geez Chuck is going to beat me to all the analysis. I'll watch the vid tomorrow with this thread opened and add anything I feel might be helpful.
 
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66 at 15:45 again! Raising here serves little purpose when it's for this cheap. Limp along with him.

34 at 16:00; the bet-check-bet line almost NEVER gets respect. It's something I sometimes use against people who fold to double barrels when I'm holding TPTK or better, but almost never for bluffs.

A5s at 17:15 or so, I'm not sure I like betting that river. Does he look you up with like 66 or a 3 there? If not, you're betting into trips/busted draws most of the time which is never a good thing of course. Liked it up to that point though.

*wipes forehead*

Why does this seem like so much higher volume than 8 tables? :/

Alright I'm tired, gonna watch the rest tomorrow and comment.
 
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when u play 9 tables at once, do u just play abc poker? how do u focus? how do u improve?
 
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55 set, 2 seconds in LEAD PLEASE!!!!!!

You need to build the pot in spots like this or you won't be winning big pots very often. Not only that but that was a draw-heavy flop that you needed some protection against. I know ch-raising does the same thing, but it also immediately reveals the strength of your hand.
Agreed, this was one where as soon as I clicked the button I was thinking "shit I didn't want to do that". Guess in the back of my mind I saw 3 people to act and was thinking one would bet. Luckily I got the bet, but not only is that an ugly board (especially when it's unraised preflop), but someone who didn't hit that (doesn't have the A) isn't going to improve to top pair anyway, so unless they hit a miracle 2 pair on the turn, it's not likely to help me. Luckily the guy minbet and I took it down right then and there.

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I'm going to be blunt as usual, but I think you know it's cause I'm trying to help :)


I definitely appreciate it. I'm trying to get better and that's not going to happen if everyone just tells me how great I'm playing when there are holes I need to fix.
 
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ATo at ~5:15; I raise 4+BBs OOP to discourage action. No c-bet? That's the driest of the driest boards!
He's calling 3% of PFR over 290 hands, I'm being extremely cautious even if I hit my A. Trying to just steal here against 2 very tight opponents. I probably wasn't paying enough attention to see that he had already limped UTG and his VP$IP is only 6%, but the above was my reasoning there.

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JJ at 5:45 is kind of a borderline c-bet with two opponents in on that board, but i like the aggression.
Yeah, could have gone either way, but I've seen enough people get scared when there's a multi-way pot. Sucks when I cbet my AA on a flop and all 4 callers fold. Apparently he hit his K though.

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KQs at 8:40 I might be inclined to call this shortstacker's push
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Really? Especially with the guy behind me still in the hand, I thought this was an easy fold. Most likely seeing at least Ax from a shortstack push, also the stats are relevant. The guy re-raising all-in is calling a PFR 9% (I think it's a 9, if not it's a 3, quality on the video isn't great), and the guy behind me is calling 4% of PF raises. So I'm looking at a top 4% hand still to act and a better than 9% hand (it was a raise, not just a call, although this could also be a bluff or a vulnerable hand postflop like AK, which coincidentally has me crushed :)) all-in. With one all-in already, I lose all my implied odds against him and most against the other guy, since if I hit he'll only call if he hits knowing I have a hand, only an idiot bluffs into an empty pot.

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66 shortly after; I raise more with position. Again the 3BB+1BB/limper rule helps a lot in spots like these by way of giving your opponent bad odds to call.
Guess this is a good place to explain my preflop strategy with low to mid PPs. Most of the time I'm raising 3x regardless. I really like these spots because if I get a lot of callers I'm getting good implied odds and if I don't then I can try to steal the pot with a cbet. Once in a while with a ton of limpers I'll flat call in late position or from the blinds and play purely on flopping a set.

I watched your video at 50nl and see you like to try to see cheap flops with low to mid PPs and then the implied odds pay off for you. The problem is that at 10nl a lot of the players are just weak tight-passive players. If the pot's 5-way preflop, and I flop a set, a bet is likely to pick up maybe another player, sometimes I take the pot right then and there. But if I raise there, first of all I figure I'm against better than average hands, which are more likely to bet or call a bet on the flop if I set. If a lot of people call the PFR, I just pray for a set and an A to hit, because you know one or two are calling with A-rag (or even AK), and when he A comes, won't have the discipline to lay it down. When my sets start getting paid off more I'll tend to limp with them a lot more, or raise to try to steal PF, but for now I'm trying to get value out of them PF, with hopefully a few callers, and if I don't get enough callers it's ok, because then a cbet will likely win the pot whether I set or not.

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JT at ~11 minutes; I think the pf call was fine. This is hard to give advice on without stats (I still don't understand yours :eek:), but given his betting amounts I think we can usually call this down as it looks like unimproved overcards trying to get a cheapish showdown...this is usually a fold to 3 barrels though.

So you're saying I should fold the 70 cent bet into the $3 pot? I understand what you're saying that I'm probably beat but I have to be right 1 in 6 to make a profit off of this.

In terms of stats, he's seeing 80-something % of flops it looks like and raising 12% calling 38% of preflop raises, but this is all after 8 hands, so basically useless. On a side note though he did succeed in playing this horribly, at least preflop. A minraise with QQ to my 3x PFR?

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9Ts at 14:30 I likey. It doesn't seem like much but 3BB is soooo much more inviting that 4 imo. Slightly overbet steals with position is so +EV against these weaklings it's not even funny
lol agreed :)

Thanks for the comments.
 
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So you're saying I should fold the 70 cent bet into the $3 pot? I understand what you're saying that I'm probably beat but I have to be right 1 in 6 to make a profit off of this.

In terms of stats, he's seeing 80-something % of flops it looks like and raising 12% calling 38% of preflop raises, but this is all after 8 hands, so basically useless. On a side note though he did succeed in playing this horribly, at least preflop. A minraise with QQ to my 3x PFR?

I basically meant we should usually be folding to even the second bet when they put out a significant one since a) we're usually behind and b) we're usually going to have to face a third barrel. Like I said, I do think we have to call down here given his betting amounts since he's just giving us too big of a price.

I'm thinking next time we do a 6+ tabling video we should keep it to like 1/2 an hour long. All my comments were from <1/2 the way through - there's just so much volume :/
 
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