your thoughts please

ok, was playing 2c 5c on stars, thoughts please on my and villans play. villans on the button im in bb, no read on villan hed only been at table for 11 hands. i had Jh Jc, vil bets 15c i call, flop= 8s2c4s, i check vil bets 25c i raise to 50c he calls, pot 132c, turn=7d, i check again vil bets 45c i raise to 90c, he calls, pot=312c river 9h, i check vil bets 140c i call and lose when he turns over 10d 6c . i was stunned to see 10, 6, whats your thoughts, also i thought vils play sucked, but when put it through odds calculater his play on the turn looks ok, ie=he had nearly 20% chance with calling 45c to my raise having around 5 to 1 pot odds and implied odds, im getting a bit confused what with the 2 and 4 rule saying he has 8% chance of getting his 4 outs on river and cc oomputer giving him nearly 20%, thanx in advance for any replys..:albertein

That is the kind of stuff that frustrates me. It never fails that I start to actually make some money, something like this happens. The odds of him hitting were so low. It happens so much online. I think your play was correct except on the river. You might need to cut bait when you see the straight draw hit. I probably would have been all in by that time. After the turn, the straight draw showing, make the villain pay huge to see that final card. If you get called all in at that point, at least over time you will make money.

johnny2shoes said:

im getting a bit confused what with the 2 and 4 rule saying he has 8% chance of getting his 4 outs on river and cc oomputer giving him nearly 20%, thanx in advance for any replys..:albertein

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Look again at what outs he has

5 is an out, too. I missed that at first as well.

The villain could have had a straight on the turn as well so I would have played just like OP did, unless I knew what kind of player the villain was, of course.

(Not giving advice here, instead hoping for advice if this play is bad)

I don't like the smooth call preflop. I think your losing a lot of value, and making it cheap for over cards. What I really don't like is the check min raising. By the turn the pot was so inflated he was priced from a min raise.
I think you have to lead out with a little over 1/2 pot with this relatively dry board. Your vulnerable oop, so be the aggressor.

I agree that the first re-raise above is too small. Worrying about sets stops me from being as aggressive as others recommend. How do experienced players deal with this? Do they assume players with a set will make it obvious with their raise amounts?

BTN's gunna open pretty wide, so i'd put in a 3bet pre otherwise we're just missing value and begging to be outdrawn, honestly the check min raise is fine on the flop, looks super strong in my opinion, don't really understand villain calling there, on the turn you really want to be making a bigger 3bet to around 1.20-1.50 this will put villain to a decision and he should be folding out any sole pair, any flush draw and any gutshots, after villain leads out on the turn and you min raise, you're giving him really good odds to draw, he's having to call .45c to win 312c with gives him roughly 7:1 and he only needs 5:1 to break even, so he's definitely making the call as it's profitable, he has 20% equity. My only advice for this hand would of been to bet bigger on the turn to fold out draws.

you do realize that any qka beats you right which means you are vulnerable because he raised pre flop also i absalutly haye the check min. raise you should be the one raising since youve got a good hand but i wouldent raise too high because then you are pushing out all the low kickers IMO i did not like the play at all because you are basically letting him draw the whole time and when and if someone does hit they are gonna get paid off with the min. raise then you reraise and then you are almost forced to since the pot odds are gonna be good esp. with JJ but that is just me

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if villain were to have QQ+ he played it terribly, no 4 bet on the flop with flush out there? Donked turn for a third pot on the turn, granted on the turn op should make the 3bet bigger, but that and perhaps not 3betting pre are the only mistakes op made imo, min raising the flop is fine we don't want villain going anywhere just yet.

yeah min raise is fine if he were in late position and other guy bet but i dont like the c/r youre letting him draw if if he wants to

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