You lose 3/4 of your stack? Doesn't matter!

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During my MTT growing I observe a lot of times when after one bad bit players became crazy and doing mistake straight on the next hand: making all-in with middle hand.

I just want to tell beginners, if you lose even 3/4 of your stack, you should keep calm and play smart. More often you will game over on the next hand all-in, than win. Just say to yourself: I'am still in the game, I'am still fight for prizes!!!!
 
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When you lose your last chip then you are out
until then you are in the game !!! :)
 
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I think it would really depend on what the blinds are in relation to your stack.

If you lose 75% of a 5K stack, leaving you with 1,250 in chips, but blinds are only 15/30, you still have over 40 BBs to play with. You still have plenty of BBs to play with and don't have to make any rash decisions like shoving your next hand to get back what you lost.

This is a lot different if it were the same scenario, but blinds are at 75/150. Now you have just over 8 BBs and are short stacked. You don't have the luxury of folding hands and waiting for a decent hand as you would with 40 BBs, especially if they're antes. If you get a decent hand immediately after, don't be afraid to jam it in. With 8 BBs, your jamming range is pretty wide and with high blinds and antes eating your stack, you can't wait too long.

Another thing to consider is the type of MTT it is: regular, turbo, hyper turbo. In regular 10-12 min blinds, you can fold a number of hands with 40 BBs before you play anything. The same with 8 BBs, though you don't want to folding a lot of hands you might with 40 BBs. For example, you might fold A8s UTG with 40 BB, but shove with 8 BBs. With turbo and hyper turbos, you might want to play more marginal hands with 40 BBs that you usually wouldn't in regular MTTs to combat the fast blinds. This is especially true with 8 BBs as your stack will get eaten fast. In turbos and hypers, I'm probably shoving all Ax hands, any pair, any KXs, K10o+, and any broadway hand, suited or not.

I think keeping calm is a good idea, but a better question to ask yourself is how do you properly adjust this new situation? Analyze your situation; your stack, the blinds, the blind time, and make your decisions based on the information.

For example, after a loss, I might think "I have 25 BBs left, but blinds go up in a minute, so I practically have 20 BBs left. That's still plenty and I'm still in it, but with blinds increasing every 5 minutes, I can't play too tight. I have play a little more aggressively, steal more pots, and look for those double up spots with my big hands if I want to stand a chance at winning this."
 
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well I know sometimes in my experiance I lose more than 80 procen stake,usually I have bad luck,than I play still same,and happens double up,and I am in first 3 placces,one time I won tournament...
 
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I have a question. How to adjust your strategy when you lose more than 50% of your stack? (for example, from 40BBs to 12BBs)
 
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I think it would really depend on what the blinds are in relation to your stack.

If you lose 75% of a 5K stack, leaving you with 1,250 in chips, but blinds are only 15/30, you still have over 40 BBs to play with. You still have plenty of BBs to play with and don't have to make any rash decisions like shoving your next hand to get back what you lost.

This is a lot different if it were the same scenario, but blinds are at 75/150. Now you have just over 8 BBs and are short stacked. You don't have the luxury of folding hands and waiting for a decent hand as you would with 40 BBs, especially if they're antes. If you get a decent hand immediately after, don't be afraid to jam it in. With 8 BBs, your jamming range is pretty wide and with high blinds and antes eating your stack, you can't wait too long.

Another thing to consider is the type of MTT it is: regular, turbo, hyper turbo. In regular 10-12 min blinds, you can fold a number of hands with 40 BBs before you play anything. The same with 8 BBs, though you don't want to folding a lot of hands you might with 40 BBs. For example, you might fold A8s UTG with 40 BB, but shove with 8 BBs. With turbo and hyper turbos, you might want to play more marginal hands with 40 BBs that you usually wouldn't in regular MTTs to combat the fast blinds. This is especially true with 8 BBs as your stack will get eaten fast. In turbos and hypers, I'm probably shoving all Ax hands, any pair, any KXs, K10o+, and any broadway hand, suited or not.

I think keeping calm is a good idea, but a better question to ask yourself is how do you properly adjust this new situation? Analyze your situation; your stack, the blinds, the blind time, and make your decisions based on the information.

For example, after a loss, I might think "I have 25 BBs left, but blinds go up in a minute, so I practically have 20 BBs left. That's still plenty and I'm still in it, but with blinds increasing every 5 minutes, I can't play too tight. I have play a little more aggressively, steal more pots, and look for those double up spots with my big hands if I want to stand a chance at winning this."

Really true! All depends on blinds size. Even near the bubble stage with 9+ BB I can double up to 18+ with one Strong hand, or even just situation when someone call my all-in with rubbish hand.
 
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I`m freaking out and bet all in :)
 
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When you lose your last chip then you are out
until then you are in the game !!! :)

So True!

This days i take a 3rd place in one SnG 0,25 cents, and I stay in a moment of tournament with 2BB in Blind 150/300, after a bad beat KK x 72s
 
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When you lose 3/4 or more of your stack just be mindful of the push fold charts and wait for the right spot.
 
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Just don't fold your way out either! :p
 
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It is veri aktual. I sink thet all depends on blinds size,make your decisions based on the information and keeping calm.
 
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Lets find information in our statistic program, how many times we grew up after half stack losing in MTT.
I had a nice example when I was underdog but won those tourney. Started from 40 players left I was at the end of numbers. However I could double up every time when I made all-in.
 
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2 days ago I was playing a turbo MTT and i saw one player that had 2BBs before ITM and one hour after we seated in the same table again and he had like...50BBs
 
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Yeah, I wrote above I had the same situation. As a result I won 1st place. Never stop fighting. One perfect moment you necessarily will double up or treble your stack.
 
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even 1BB is enough to keep somebody in a tourney and build again a stack from it, it sounds crazy but I have done it many times, and I have seen other people do it as well. Its a game of patience
 
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even 1BB is enough to keep somebody in a tourney and build again a stack from it, it sounds crazy but I have done it many times, and I have seen other people do it as well. Its a game of patience

Be honestly I have never seen when 1BB grow till the winner. Yes, 2-3 BB near the bubble and with big blinds are could double up, also when everyone folded. However grow up from 1BB in the middle stage and small blinds is quit difficult, because of you need win every hand you put all-in.
 
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Be honestly I have never seen when 1BB grow till the winner. Yes, 2-3 BB near the bubble and with big blinds are could double up, also when everyone folded. However grow up from 1BB in the middle stage and small blinds is quit difficult, because of you need win every hand you put all-in.

Few days ago I was left with 1BB on a $1.10 5card draw 6max tourney when the blinds was 50/100, i ended up 5th on that tournament. If the tourney is turbo there arent so big chances to return, but if its normal speed then there are chances. I dont say that it happens all the time, just that i have seen it happen
 
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Every single chip is give you a chance to win a a money to be first.
 
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I have a question. How to adjust your strategy when you lose more than 50% of your stack? (for example, from 40BBs to 12BBs)

Depends on your position at the table you must go All-in (of course not all hands, but on the button or SB the are much more hands to push than for example on UTG).
 
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very useful thread i agree. A lot of times i was small stack and cuz of some donk i lost chips but after a while i comeback and had a lot of chips!
 
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During my MTT growing I observe a lot of times when after one bad bit players became crazy and doing mistake straight on the next hand: making all-in with middle hand.

I just want to tell beginners, if you lose even 3/4 of your stack, you should keep calm and play smart. More often you will game over on the next hand all-in, than win. Just say to yourself: I'am still in the game, I'am still fight for prizes!!!!

Good advice
 
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I've come from way behind to win (or at least cash) MTT several times. Once you've done it a few times, you know to never give up, but wait for the right situation and then play it agressively.
 
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happened to me, to stay with 256 chips on the table and finish the final table of when I lose my stack, I remember this case, and do not give up, lime is when the game of the tournament has progressed and lost 80 percent of stack and blinds are big difficult, but still in the game and have a chance.
 
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