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Hi everyone one I have 2 examples of hands iv found myself playing lately I would like to no whether you would call or fold on the final draw when more than half your chips are committed to the pot


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I have a pair of 7s and B.B. is 80 I’m in middle position I choose to raise 3 B.B. and 2 players call the flop comes 7 Q 2 I choose to raise again to 3 B.B. one player folds and the chip leader calls the turn comes and its a 3 I know raise to 5 B.B. the river comes and it’s a J I raise 5 B.B. again and he calls


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I’m holding A 8 suited on the bb someone raises 3 times the B.B. of 120 2 other players also call I also call the flop reads K 10 K the king and 10 I raise 2 bb one player folds the other 2 call the turn brings a 3 in my suit I now have a flush an raise 4 B.B. one player folds and the other calls a 9 comes on the river I raise 5 B.B. and the other player moves all in I’m down to 400 chips do I call or fold


I’ll give you all the details of whether I won the hands or lost after iv heard what a few of you would do in these situations as it’s more fun that way so would you play or would you fold and if so at what point

 
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I will sort only a situation 1.
Do you after a raise 3bb and 2 opponents = do pot 9bb to Bet 3bb? What are you afraid on a board 7 Q 2 ?
QQ? You would receive 3bet. After a flop we far ahead of opponents, put more densely. 3/4 banks. Squeeze out weak cards that they threw off the dro/small pair. That him was not on chances to call.
3 on a tern doesn't change a situation, you do raise 5bb in pot = 15bb? 1/3 with a set 7? There the person obviously plays on pair of Q.
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Hi Mate sorry to be a pain but your going to have to explain it a little bit better if you can I’m quite new and that’s a little to complicated for me atm
 
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It will be better for you to throw off the cards. For with the rest of the chips you still have the opportunity to play and replenish your stack. It's also obvious that a player who breaks your raise has a combination of cards above yours.In the second situation I would call. The probability that the enemy has a full house. But if he calls or raises before the flop, then I think he does not have a king with 10, there is a possibility of a pocket pair with 10 and, possibly, KD or KV.
 
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If you put half of your stack in with a strong hand like a flush draw on flop or turn I would put the other half in no problem but be wary on paired boards as you could be drawing dead against a house.
 
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Thanks everyone I’ll take all on board I’ll also share the outcome of the 2 hands Play 1 he calls my raise and shows 7 j and I lost the pot I forgot to mention I was pretty confident he never had a Q as he would of raised rather than just check as I was in pos over him


Play 2 was a full house which beat my flush of course


Both hands where ultimately responsible for knocking me out I’m guilty of not paying attention when I played and went in with my visor on the first one I never saw coming it got my like a bolt out the blue and the second I saw and felt the danger but as I was heavy committed I decided to call and for some reason I got confused as to whether a flush beat a full house


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Hi everyone one I have 2 examples of hands iv found myself playing lately I would like to no whether you would call or fold on the final draw when more than half your chips are committed to the pot


Situation 1
I have a pair of 7s and B.B. is 80 I’m in middle position I choose to raise 3 B.B. and 2 players call the flop comes 7 Q 2 I choose to raise again to 3 B.B. one player folds and the chip leader calls the turn comes and its a 3 I know raise to 5 B.B. the river comes and it’s a J I raise 5 B.B. again and he calls


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I’m holding A 8 suited on the bb someone raises 3 times the B.B. of 120 2 other players also call I also call the flop reads K 10 K the king and 10 I raise 2 bb one player folds the other 2 call the turn brings a 3 in my suit I now have a flush an raise 4 B.B. one player folds and the other calls a 9 comes on the river I raise 5 B.B. and the other player moves all in I’m down to 400 chips do I call or fold


I’ll give you all the details of whether I won the hands or lost after iv heard what a few of you would do in these situations as it’s more fun that way so would you play or would you fold and if so at what point

To be honest I wouldn't fold any of those two situations only because unless I really felt with situation 1 that someone else had a bigger set which is still difficult, I would probably continue to put my money with both a set or a flush especially ace high.
 
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Situation 2, I would have put my remaining 400 chips in.
 
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As per situation 1, I think you are raising very low. You should be raising a lot more making your opponents really pay for their peeling.
 
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^^^ do you think 🤔 would you say I need to be raising more say half pot or even 75% with a hand like that I’m just worried atm that if I lose the hand I’d be pretty much dead as I’m not having a great run with cards atm
 
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^^^ do you think 🤔 would you say I need to be raising more say half pot or even 75% with a hand like that I’m just worried atm that if I lose the hand I’d be pretty much dead as I’m not having a great run with cards atm

When you flop or turn a monster hand you need to be raising a lot more. The above raises would be good. The main problem is when your flop bet is the same as your preflop bet it is seen as a sign of weakness to most players and they will call with decent, but weaker hands, or will try to stick around hoping they can bluff you later on.
The second mistake you're making is thinking you should alter your playing style based on the results of the hand instead of based on what was the proper play. See, you have to base your playing style on what will win you pots most of the time. Most of the time if you go all in with an Ace-high flush you will win the pot. Sometimes you won't, but most of the time you will. So the proper play is to go allin with the ace high flush even if you lose with it one or more times.
An exception to both of these rules is if you are on or near the bubble you may be willing to fold away near nut hands out of fear of not making the money. However, if you are going to play that timidly then you should not be doing any betting even with premium hands. You'll want the pot as cheap as possible so that if someone does bet big you can walk away without having lost much. Ideally, though, you should not play this timidly as it won't win you chips over the long haul, but it can keep you in a tourney for a few extra orbits to just barely squeeze into the money.
 
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Your bet sizing is really weird. I guess you play tournament.

First hand if you thnk villain is chasing with some mediocre hand like 99 or something, then it's ok to bet small to induce calls. But I would suggest half pot instead of 1/3 pot. If draws appear, then you wanna bet bigger.

Second hand, out of position on a paired board I'd be careful. Donk betting 2 BB is silly.

As played I would call. No one had a K on the flop or else would have raised on a flop like that unless I am giving villain too much credit, which is possible. Only TT and KT would just flat call there hoping one of y'all nails the str or flush.

A made FH would likely raise the turn instead of risking the draws missing on the river and missing out on value.

So the shove on the river is a weird one. I would call it.

I will have my fingers crossed. But if you are gonna play A8 OOP you are hoping to hit a nut flush. So follow through.
 
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Is no one wondering how his set of 7's ended up losing to two pair in the first hand?
 
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Paul Harvey would fold preflop.

Hi everyone one I have 2 examples of hands iv found myself playing lately I would like to no whether you would call or fold on the final draw when more than half your chips are committed to the pot


Situation 1
I have a pair of 7s and B.B. is 80 I’m in middle position I choose to raise 3 B.B. and 2 players call the flop comes 7 Q 2 I choose to raise again to 3 B.B. one player folds and the chip leader calls the turn comes and its a 3 I know raise to 5 B.B. the river comes and it’s a J I raise 5 B.B. again and he calls


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I’m holding A 8 suited on the bb someone raises 3 times the B.B. of 120 2 other players also call I also call the flop reads K 10 K the king and 10 I raise 2 bb one player folds the other 2 call the turn brings a 3 in my suit I now have a flush an raise 4 B.B. one player folds and the other calls a 9 comes on the river I raise 5 B.B. and the other player moves all in I’m down to 400 chips do I call or fold


I’ll give you all the details of whether I won the hands or lost after iv heard what a few of you would do in these situations as it’s more fun that way so would you play or would you fold and if so at what point

I'm folding preflop.

I can't see the cards so I'm not calling anything.

I'll probably keep folding for the entire tournament because of it.

BECAUSE.....
if I could see the cards..((good ole throat clear inserted at this spot..)).....

I would know what suits are in play.

And I am really, really, really big...on knowing what suit the cards are on the table.

I mean...I don't care if I do hit my pp 7's....if 3 nasty looking diamonds pop up on the flop, then another on the turn, and another on the river.
Nope...I think it would be best to just fold pre-flop...with my pp 7's..knowing I'd have no clue what suit the cards were on the table and take a chance someone might hit an 8 high flush on me.

Yeah..fold pre-flop. I wouldn't even be in that hand.


So..I wouldn't even be in the hand being BLIND like I am.


but...it's a great question/test you've posed.

I just can't wait to here....
the rest of the story.
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