Did you ever fold AA??

#1 November 18th, 2020, 10:00 AM

Have you ever folded with two Aces in your hand? This happened for me yesterday when I decided to enter the payout pool, but it turned out that I was lucky and I did it well because the guy played all-in, got a third nine and I would stay with Aces.It wasn't a freeroll ,but a guaranteed 1.500$ tournament

#2 November 18th, 2020, 10:48 AM

Not really. Its like having a fear that my house will collapse till I am in. Maybe if my partner raises wildly I would.
One thing about bubbles its surviving is important, but you can loose all of your power as well till the end, so if its important for you to reach the money be tight, but as the higher places are paid better, you can play aces aggressive for the upcoming blinds.

#3 November 18th, 2020, 6:02 PM

I cannot recall the number of times I folded AA but only after the flop. Sure if I am holding 2 AA blacks and the flop is diamonds for exemple, I am out

#4 November 18th, 2020, 6:16 PM

always get it in pre flop, because eve if they have a draw after flop, on PS they always make it...

#5 November 18th, 2020, 6:34 PM

Yes it happened many times !!!

#6 November 18th, 2020, 6:43 PM

sometimes I fold them preflop when there are 1 or 2 people left before the pay zone and I have a small stack.

#7 November 18th, 2020, 6:52 PM

Many times

#8 November 18th, 2020, 8:03 PM

It happened to me many times.

#9 November 18th, 2020, 8:15 PM

There's a classic situation where folding AA is easy... of course, we'll rarely ever be in such a position, but it COULD happen someday.

The situation to fold AA preflop is the following: we're at the final table of a big tournament, and we have the second largest chip stack at the table. All the other players have only a small amount of chips left in their stacks.

The easy fold for AA happens when there's a raise by a short stack, and then the chipleader shoves all-in. It's our turn to play, and there are 5 or 6 short stacks behind us who still have cards... what is our play? Obviously... we FOLD.

This is called an ICM fold, we're folding AA here because we could lose the hand to the chipleader (AA only has 80% equity against 2 random cards, so we'll lose the hand about 20% of the time), and if we lose the hand and get knocked out in 7th or 8th place when we had the second largest chip stack at the entire table... well this is what some would call an "ICM disaster". LOL Don't make ICM mistakes!!

ICM stands for "Independent Chip Model" and it's a way to mathematically analyze the situations that happen at the end of the tournament like the situation I described above. ICM attempts to show us the best way to maximize our return, which simply means it shows us how to make the highest finish possible in the tournament. It's not a perfect method, but it's the best we have and many good players understand ICM concepts very well.

#10 November 18th, 2020, 8:19 PM

after flop yes but never before.

#11 November 18th, 2020, 8:44 PM

HI. for sure, especially when I see up to the river. often with no chance of taking chances.

#12 November 18th, 2020, 11:55 PM

Yes, sometimes I fold AA, because of the maths of the game, or I see that the deck is not so friendly, or even if my intuition says no!

#13 November 19th, 2020, 12:07 AM

Originally Posted by roberto51

Have you ever folded with two Aces in your hand? This happened for me yesterday when I decided to enter the payout pool, but it turned out that I was lucky and I did it well because the guy played all-in, got a third nine and I would stay with Aces.It wasn't a freeroll ,but a guaranteed 1.500$ tournament

Pre-flop I fold ones only at the bubble in the 215 buy-in tournament, it let me got to ITM but I fold many times on the river when I see definitely opponents flush on the board.

#14 November 19th, 2020, 1:52 AM

Yes,to str-fl drow board

#15 November 19th, 2020, 3:18 AM

preflop in Satellite and once misclicked in a cash game after 4 betting. Post flop plenty of times when it obviously went bad by the river, and bluffed off of it on the river once.

#16 November 19th, 2020, 6:15 AM

I never, always play all in preflop with him

#17 November 19th, 2020, 7:28 AM

I rarely fold AA, only probably after the flop or the turn, and before the flop I will never fold AA, so sorry Did you ever fold AA??

#18 November 19th, 2020, 8:03 AM

Originally Posted by roberto51

Have you ever folded with two Aces in your hand? This happened for me yesterday when I decided to enter the payout pool, but it turned out that I was lucky and I did it well because the guy played all-in, got a third nine and I would stay with Aces.It wasn't a freeroll ,but a guaranteed 1.500$ tournament

I don't remember dropping my cards from A A once. Always played to the end. Sometimes I came across two pairs, straight, Flash. There were all sorts of things, but it is difficult to reset A A.

#19 November 19th, 2020, 11:21 AM

A few times on the river and this is my mistake that I waited until there !!!

#20 November 19th, 2020, 11:26 AM

There is basically no reason why you�d ever fold AA pre-flop in NLHE. Post-flop is a different story, I�ve folded it too many times to count.

#21 November 19th, 2020, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by roberto51

Have you ever folded with two Aces in your hand? This happened for me yesterday when I decided to enter the payout pool, but it turned out that I was lucky and I did it well because the guy played all-in, got a third nine and I would stay with Aces.It wasn't a freeroll ,but a guaranteed 1.500$ tournament

Preflop i would never fold AA , even if im on the bubble , postflop tho its a completely different story , floded way to many AA , to possible flushs , straights , when i had nothing :3 ( well except for pocket AA)

although online it seems to happens way to often when i get my AA cracked by another pocket pair :3 but that is poker you not guaranteed to win even with the best hand preflop !

#22 November 19th, 2020, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by roberto51

Have you ever folded with two Aces in your hand? This happened for me yesterday when I decided to enter the payout pool, but it turned out that I was lucky and I did it well because the guy played all-in, got a third nine and I would stay with Aces.It wasn't a freeroll ,but a guaranteed 1.500$ tournament

i rather go "fighting" if the game decide im out, LETS GO, but i do get your point, if u put lot of money in front, situation changes

#23 November 19th, 2020, 1:56 PM

Hello people,the truth is,I never shot AA before seeing the flop,for the reason that we have a hand cannon,post flop and depending on the phase of the tournament we are playing if I throw them.

#24 November 19th, 2020, 2:19 PM

Folded once or twice to get ITM

#25 November 19th, 2020, 4:47 PM

Hello. I have and I know I will again. 2 kings on the table and a guy goes all-in. You bet.
Dan',O

#26 November 19th, 2020, 4:50 PM

sometimes for sure

#27 November 19th, 2020, 8:39 PM

Of course, many times. These are the most beloved cards, but we have to throw them away sometime.

#28 November 19th, 2020, 8:46 PM

Over time, you become convinced that any card has the ability to lose. This is influenced by many factors that you are well aware of. That makes poker great; no card has an absolute win. Any beginner has a chance to beat the pro.

#29 November 19th, 2020, 8:49 PM

I have never folded when I was sitting with a pair of ACES , but ......... I certainly have lost more than my fair share of games when I have played with them.

#30 November 19th, 2020, 8:57 PM

Many times. Did you ever fold AA??

As long as I don't see the flop, for me it's two cards like any other.

#31 November 19th, 2020, 9:00 PM

it depends on what I’m increasing in the tournament, but if you don’t play AA, what are you waiting for?

#32 November 20th, 2020, 1:56 AM

Yes several times never pre flop but several times on the river I always try to take the last card but several times the deck likes to preach a few times and we have to play consciously and we have to fold

#33 November 20th, 2020, 2:20 AM

I have folded them a few times but not many. I go to the end with AA, sometimes I win and sometimes I lose. I have lost to three 2s before.

#34 November 20th, 2020, 2:36 AM

Sure I have folded aces. When the flop is all one suit and against an all in , more so on the turn or rivere with 4 cards to a suit or an obvious straight. Also if someone call a big raise preflop and there is I high pair on board, I might fold to an all in bet, as there is an exellent chance he tripled up.

#35 November 20th, 2020, 2:38 AM

I hate to fold AA's but sometimes I don't have chioce.

#36 November 20th, 2020, 3:57 AM

I have in a satellite a couple of times near or on the bubble were I have a big stack and am guaranteed a seat where calling could jeopardise that.

#37 November 20th, 2020, 5:17 AM

I know I have folded AA many times... typically after I tip-toed into the pot in early position (hoping to get a big-raise and an opportunity to re-raise, that did not happen) and received a threatening flop (all suited, pair on board, very possible straight, etc) followed by huge raise and my chipstack is good enough that it is not worth risking it.

Overall, I am satisfied with my AA win %. According to my Intertops stats I have won 143 of 164 times I have had AA, so 87% winners, and I cannot complain about that, but I dug a little deeper into the stats by round and I was SHOCKED to see that I had lost 4 of 41 times I had AA, PRE-FLOP!

After my jaw hit the keyboard, and I thought about it for a bit, I realized it was likely due to the scenario where I am in a Double-Up Sit and Go, I have a comfortable chipstack (close 1st or 2nd) with vulnerable small stack(s) left and the other big stack launches vs them... no need for me to risk it and possibly get taken out or severely crippled by letting him crack my AAs, when a win is so close and highly likely.

Best of Luck At The Tables All,

CheezeWiz

#38 November 20th, 2020, 7:40 AM

Yes, I folded them many times, most often after an unfavorable flop for me, but I also folded them pre-flop if I got them in the bubble period on satellites where all winners get the same ticket, so even the slightest risk is unnecessary.

#39 November 20th, 2020, 8:46 AM

Yes sometimes you have to fold those AA.
When you have a good stack into satellites

#40 November 20th, 2020, 5:11 PM

Originally Posted by roberto51

Have you ever folded with two Aces in your hand? This happened for me yesterday when I decided to enter the payout pool, but it turned out that I was lucky and I did it well because the guy played all-in, got a third nine and I would stay with Aces.It wasn't a freeroll ,but a guaranteed 1.500$ tournament

This is where what you are trying to get out of poker is really important.

If the situation you describe is a satellite in which everyone makes the money makes the same amount (IE qualify for a ticket to a bigger tournament), then yes, folding in this situation is absolutely the correct play.

However, folding AA pre-flop against 99 means that you are throwing away 80+% equity before you've even seen a flop. Of course, sometimes you will get outdrawn and go bust, but if you're folding in this situation you're giving yourself little chance of going really deep in a tournament.

Of course there are other situations where folding might make sense. Say you're on the bubble of the tournament and you only have 3 big blinds left and once the bubble bursts another 100 people have to bust before you make the next pay jump, then sure; limp into the cash by all means, because the chances of laddering up again are very small and you might as well take the min cash. Also, as you go very deep (you're on the final table) and out lasting one opponent can mean a significant jump in prize money, then it can be a good idea to not tangle with a big stack. Say you're on the final table and 9th place pays $50, while 8th pays $65. You have 15BB, another player has 3BB's and everyone else has 40+BB's. Do you really want to tangle with a big stack, when the small stack is almost guaranteed to bust in the next order and you'll get a 30% pay jump? This is called ICM and I am by no means an expert, but it is definitely something worth considering.

#41 November 20th, 2020, 5:23 PM

Originally Posted by roberto51

Voc� j� deu fold com dois Ases na m�o? Isso aconteceu comigo ontem quando decidi entrar no pool de pagamentos, mas descobri que tive sorte e fiz isso bem porque o cara jogou all-in, conseguiu um terceiro nove e eu ficaria com ases. um freeroll, mas um torneio de $ 1.500 garantido

sem sim p�s-flop .....

#42 November 23rd, 2020, 2:05 AM

Yes, of course, when I have strong reasons to suspect my rockets is not the best hand.

#43 November 23rd, 2020, 2:33 AM

много пъти ми се е случвало да губя с АА

#44 November 23rd, 2020, 2:58 AM

It hurts, but sometimes it's obvious.
But it hurts more not to do it and get kicked out.

#45 November 23rd, 2020, 3:16 AM

Never fold AA, as the saying goes It is difficult to imagine such a situation. I don�t remember throwing AA, but I can imagine getting into a situation like that. If I really need the paying position and risk losing it, I throw it smoothly!

#46 November 23rd, 2020, 3:23 AM

After the flop yes, many times, but never before !!! Did you ever fold AA??

#47 November 25th, 2020, 3:41 AM

Pre flop never post flop yes with a four card flush on the board and the other player went all in for 100 BB's.

#48 November 25th, 2020, 10:39 AM

I guess you mean preflop, and yes I have folded AA preflop. But only in satellite tournaments, when I was sure, that folding every hand from now on would result in me winning a ticket. In your situation you made a bad decision but got lucky, it turned out to be profitable. This is no different from calling an all-in with 32o and flopping a straight or full house. The fact, the board ran out a particular way, does not make the decision good.

#49 November 26th, 2020, 1:44 PM

Yes, because I felt the other player had a flush, so I folded. One of the players called all-in and the player had a flush, so I was lucky.

#50 November 26th, 2020, 2:03 PM

Pre-flop: never! Post-flop: occasionally.. especially if there is a very scary board.

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