Would you ever fold Aces?

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On another site a discussion was started about when would you ever fold Aces. There were several answers, but I recall Daniel Negreanu talking about never folding Aces or Kings, and he further stated that the one time he folded Kings it was because he thought his opponent had Aces. His opponent turned over his cards to show Queens. The only time I'm folding Aces (for certain) is in a Satellite where my seat is 90 percent guaranteed and playing those Aces would put me in a situation where my chances of winning a seat are greatly diminished. Any other circumstances when you would fold Aces?
 
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I don't fold AA or KK for stupid reasons. I must have 3 important aspects: my target, my abilities of my other player in the hand and badboards.
For example... a 4cards flushed and i have to call him allin w AA and my aces arent from that color is for shure a fold!
 
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The situation you described (satty bubble) is literally the only time I would ever consider folding AA. In a tournament, if a bubble is life-changing money for you (the only time you consider outside a satty) then you are playing too far above your means.

Other than that, any folding of aces preflop means you are folding the best hand. That's never a good move.

There's at least one other thread on this just on the first page... just saying.
 
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Pre flop it is almost impossible to get away from unless you believe by folding you will get a bigger payout. For almost every situation in the game it is -EV to even contemplate pre flop, post is a whole other story.
 
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Pre flop it is almost impossible to get away from unless you believe by folding you will get a bigger payout. For almost every situation in the game it is -EV to even contemplate pre flop, post is a whole other story.

And usually the bigger payout isn't going to be some huge thing, and if it is, you're playing too high.

I'm thinking it would have to be a situation for me like its the FT bubble of the Main Event, and its a couple hundred grand difference if you make the FT, for instance. (I don't think its this sizable, hypothetical situation.)

I guess it hammers the point home, though... the only way I'm folding AA preflop is if its a satellite with the seat hanging in the balance -- or a couple hundred grand (life-changing money) in the other example.

The bubble in a tournament, if you are using correct bankroll management, should mean nothing. You should be trying to win the tournament, not worrying about the bubble. (EDIT: Of course the bubble means SOMETHING, I just mean that if we're using correct BRM, bubbling one tournament if you get AA cracked should not be a crisis situation!) :D

Other than the satellite seat or the possibility of life-changing money with a fold, folding the best hand pre-flop is just asinine.
 
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fold

i did not fold aa on the bubble other day guy got a straight no money for me really sucked good stack bubble boy folding next time
 
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I folded KK once because was I in a sit and go and was guaranteed 2nd place after 2 other players had already gone all in. Cant see any reason to fold AA or KK other than wanting to place In a tourney. If you want first place....well as i said crazy to fold imo
 
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i did not fold aa on the bubble other day guy got a straight no money for me really sucked good stack bubble boy folding next time

So because you got sucked out on once, you're going to change the entire way you play this stage of a tournament?

Sorry, but that's just silly.
 
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i remember once playing pokerschool open skill league. i had a situation (early stage) that a lot of players called and i was in BB i had AA and decided to raise 3x. believe me, one players raise all-in and 2 players called so i had to fold, if i would have called i was going to lose all chips considering the cards that came on the board. that was funny and totally crazy.
 
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i remember once playing pokerschool open skill league. i had a situation (early stage) that a lot of players called and i was in BB i had AA and decided to raise 3x. believe me, one players raise all-in and 2 players called so i had to fold, if i would have called i was going to lose all chips considering the cards that came on the board. that was funny and totally crazy.

Folding AA in the situation you described is horrible, no matter what the result would have been.

If you lose, oh well, you got your money in good.
 
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in principle, when I have a pair of aces,I play big,sometimes is not decided in my favor,but this is poker
 
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When I have AA I go All-in, because is dificult to fold AA in the next street
 
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When I have AA I go All-in, because is dificult to fold AA in the next street

While there is certainly nothing wrong with shoving AA pre, if that is the only way you play it you're going to be leaving a lot of money on the table in a lot of situations.

Better to save hand histories of AA hands and post them to see if you could have played them differently when you lose them, rather than just locking yourself into only playing the hand one way.
 
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Folding AA in the situation you described is horrible, no matter what the result would have been.

If you lose, oh well, you got your money in good.

really sure? you're wrong, first of all i didn't play that mtt for a single prize pool, i played for monthly ranking, is there any sense to take high riskes in a $10 tournament?. secondly, AA has less value when you play against 2 or more people, if you play it, it's just bingo.
 
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never drop the aces, I originally just made a big preflop raise, that would get rid of a greater number of opponents on the flop
 
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On another site a discussion was started about when would you ever fold Aces. There were several answers, but I recall Daniel Negreanu talking about never folding Aces or Kings, and he further stated that the one time he folded Kings it was because he thought his opponent had Aces. His opponent turned over his cards to show Queens. The only time I'm folding Aces (for certain) is in a Satellite where my seat is 90 percent guaranteed and playing those Aces would put me in a situation where my chances of winning a seat are greatly diminished. Any other circumstances when you would fold Aces?


Pre flop?
 
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really sure? you're wrong, first of all i didn't play that mtt for a single prize pool, i played for monthly ranking, is there any sense to take high riskes in a $10 tournament?. secondly, AA has less value when you play against 2 or more people, if you play it, it's just bingo.

I'm not wrong. You preflop folded the best hand in AA.

If you consider having AA a high risk, then you shouldn't play $10 tourneys.

Yes, AA does worse multi-way, but unless you're facing another AA, you are going to be the favorite when the money goes in.

You're playing for ranking, most people are playing for money and folding AA preflop is an absolutely atrocious decision.
 
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no,only way I could fold is after flop,....
 
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YES & YES AGAIN
I learn quikly that you can fall in to this mental trap that if you have AA or KK (QQ,AK included) you just HAVE TO and WILL win the hand. As much as AA is a good hand it's just a pair.
 
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Oh sure. I folded aces than once.
It all depends on the situation. Simply sometimes mucked than losing your entire stack, thinking that your aces - 1oo percent of the winning hand.
 
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I'm not wrong. You preflop folded the best hand in AA.

If you consider having AA a high risk, then you shouldn't play $10 tourneys.

Yes, AA does worse multi-way, but unless you're facing another AA, you are going to be the favorite when the money goes in.

You're playing for ranking, most people are playing for money and folding AA preflop is an absolutely atrocious decision.

not exactly. i read an article yon this from another guy. he describes why this 10$ leader board game are quite bad to learn poker. he did the math an calculated odds of the possible win with aces in early stages of tourney. THe result was that if you are high enough in he leaderboard it is possible that the pot odds against 27 offsuited aren't good enought to call.

but in an normal game i think its hard to fold aces. but if i qualified to a big tourney via satelitte i would fold if i can reach the itm

on the otherside i am not that expirenced
 
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It is very hard to fold aces in my case. My game with this starting hand is simple push all in :D. But in many situation this is a bad strategy. In pre flop game l will call every raise but during the hand if l did not hit anything (set,straight,flush), i must fold but hevyhearted. Some pokerpro say: "AA is a hand for win a small pot or lose a big".
 
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On the bubble for sure Yes ! Also, maybe if there's four suited community cards and at least 2 opponents who are betting hard... I'm gonna assume they have me beat in that situation... In fact, anytime you're sure you are beat you should fold, trouble is, with those pocket rockets it's sometimes hard to accept you are :)
 
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not exactly. i read an article yon this from another guy. he describes why this 10$ leader board game are quite bad to learn poker. he did the math an calculated odds of the possible win with aces in early stages of tourney. THe result was that if you are high enough in he leaderboard it is possible that the pot odds against 27 offsuited aren't good enought to call.

but in an normal game i think its hard to fold aces. but if i qualified to a big tourney via satelitte i would fold if i can reach the itm

on the otherside i am not that expirenced

I don't know anything about these "leaderboard" games... I only play money games and in *real* MTT, folding AA preflop in the early stages of a tournament is ridiculous, especially when you are able to get all the money in good.

If these leaderboard games are getting people to think that folding AA in the early stages of a tournament is a profitable play, then yes, they're disastrous for actually learning poker.

Do I love it if I get like 4 callers? No, obviously there's more chance of a drawout. But that is poker, and I'd be fist-pump calling these all-ins and if I got cracked, then so be it -- that's why you have bankroll management, to handle when you get a big hand cracked even though you've played it exactly as you should play it.

EDIT: If these leaderboard games are freerolls, that explains why he's getting 4 people to the flop all-in. That *rarely* happens in $$ MTT.
 
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So far pre flop i didn't fold them. Not single time. Last few days i am starting to think maybe sometimes i should fold kings, but AA to fold pre flop no way. Few times i had that feeling that i should fold KK but i call all in with them and i run on AA that happens last few days on PS Premier League..
Like this one. This happened today on PS PL...
https://www.cardschat.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=118509&stc=1&d=1470594937
 
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