Would you call 20BB raise PF with QQ ?

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Stacks vary from 50bb to 150bb.

Hero gets QQ. Stack is 120bb
V1 is TAG with huge 250bb stack, and bets $40

It's pretty obvious that V1 has KK or AA

Do you call, 3-bet, or fold ?
 
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If your intuition says he really has either KK or AA, then automatically fold.

If he is not TAG, at least Ill call.
 
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If it is so obvious that V1 has AA,KK why are you really asking this question?

Add positions, and might I assume since you called the Villain V1, you think there could be V2, V3 ...?
 
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20 BB , it s an over bet, and it can be readen by different ways.

If he had AA or KK why he over bet, he want to get more chips on the table so he will make a raisonable bet ( so he have jj-qq or AK )
Either he can do that cause he know that you think that way so he bet 20BB then you will call with good hands but not premium aa or kk
 
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if his range is KK+ then fold, lol.

ask a silly question, get a silly answer.
 
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if his range is KK+ then fold, lol.

ask a silly question, get a silly answer.
Don't forget to laugh at him for allowing you to fold QQ happily. Assuming, of course, that you're right about his KK+ range.
 
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Аlways afraid of the players who so easily throw ladies....Imagine when they have a strong hand..I'm doomed.
 
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there are not many idiots in poker who would bet 20bb with AA or kk . U would either go all in or bet reasonable with these type of hands. This kind of overbet from a tag player usually represents medium pocket pair or weak suited ace /just my thought/ i would have gone all in there
 
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I ve lost so many times with them .. that would be defintly a new situation where you feel that you ve didn t get no good hand for a long time.. you ll play it
 
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If your intuition says he really has either KK or AA, then automatically fold.

If he is not TAG, at least Ill call.

well, effective stack is yours, so you could make an argument for a call, but his nittish make me wanna fold
 
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Could be AK too I suppose, but in any case fold since he's a tag. Unless he has some messed up betting strategy to steal hes got you beat or on a flip. Neither scenario is one you would want to continue with.
 
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id fold lets bink him when we have aces lol
 
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Think OP should change his name from Rick to Risk.........badaboom.
 
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If this is a 3bet then the likelihood of :ac4::ah4: or :kc4::kh4: are much larger but if this is an open raise then i think this is a sure sign of weakness and we should be raising here for value as we would be ahead most of the time. No way i am folding this - i would be licking my chops and counting out a raise if i were you. :eating:
 
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well if hes leading out , out of position and is TAG thats leading $40 raise, you can call, but it seems a little weak, a 3 bet seems possible if you min 3-bet to get info to confirm he does have AA OR KK(when he 4bets or shoves you all in pf or flat calls your raise. Fold is a safe play and conserve for you to play him for his stack on a better opportunity.

say you do 3bet, he calls. dry board= he'll either check or check re raise out of position. in position he will raise if checked or slowplay a strong hand to the turn. 3bet will benefit if your in position and also might be cheaper to get you
atleast to a turn card and possibly catching a set or something connected.

if its too much to think about, fold preflop . save energy and time.
 
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A call is probably the worswt option of the 3. You either have to fold or raise.
I would probably raise reluctantly and I would probably lose because that is how things usually go with my in poker. It is why I only play for fun.
The prudent move is of course to fold if you have no history as to the type of player and his range.
 
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I don't know how you see the raise an obvious AA/KK. I play lower limits but run into the same thing. So I see players call with high PPs no matter what. And many times the big raiser does not make a continuation bet because they know then you have a good hand.I will not fold QQ. But I will fold them after the flop if A/K comes to the board. I have learned to cut my losses.
 
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If you add AK to his range then your up against AK ~57% of the time and the rest is AA and KK. So assuming that, calling isn't terrible but post flop could put you in some tough spots. Unless you have seen him do this before then putting him on KK+ only is probably not accurate.

Since you posted the hand can I assume he did show KK+ and that you didn't fold?
 
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A call is probably the worswt option of the 3. You either have to fold or raise.
I would probably raise reluctantly and I would probably lose because that is how things usually go with my in poker. It is why I only play for fun.
The prudent move is of course to fold if you have no history as to the type of player and his range.

What is the point in raising?

If he has AA KK then your spewing money GG

If he has AK and he overplays it and shoves you have to fold GG

If he has TT - QQ would he have raised 20x... probably not so...

Why on any sane level would you 3B?! :O

Raising is by far the most ridiculous option. (Jamming would be suicide)

Calling and folding are pretty close and completely depends on how much you know about your opponent (Don't confuse this with how much you 'THINK' you know)

Deeper stacks would definitely give more merit to flatting than folding since his range is super polarized so when you flop a set you don't have to slow play and he ain't folding very often!
 
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