why players go all-in first hand in a tourney

elblaaga · Dec 4, 2012

It occurred to me that every time i play in a tourney no matter what the limit is somebody always go all in first hand. I don't understand the logic or shall I say the mind set of which a player would go all in with rags, can somebody please tell me the reasoning behind such play because I can't seem to comprehend such awful play..................am I missing something?

Jim Lahey · Dec 4, 2012

If i play in a freeroll, i will sometimes go all in on the 1st hand just for shenanigans. But if i pay money to get in the tourney i will never shove all in on the 1st hand.

doomasiggy · Dec 4, 2012

don't know what they're doing/ looking for a quick double up early on.

SYWTWAF · Dec 4, 2012

They're probably just donks messing around, not really taking the tournament seriously, or figuring they may as well try to double up early if they're going to proceed at all.

AlfieAA · Dec 4, 2012

Bingo players

Daniel72 · Dec 4, 2012

In micro multi table turbo sngs you will get paid, if you go all-in first hand with AA, KK, QQ, AK, maybe AQs, if you get these hands, donks call it with all suited crap, any paint card, baby aces, any little pair, their "favourite hands" etc. lol
Some players go allin first hand, if the buy in doesnt mean anything to them like in freerolls, ok everybody can do what he wants with his cards...

kltpzyxMrM · Dec 6, 2012

The reasons mentioned above seem valid. I'd also add, if awarded a bonus/free mtt entry either by the site or rakeback affilaite and you are a cash game player, maybe your grinding time would be more profitably spent on cash tables. If you are a negative ev mtt player, this may be a viable strategy. You don't want to spend hours away from cash games only to bubble out or min cash.

ayrton · Dec 7, 2012

I noticed it in the low buyin sit n go's. I think its either people trying to double their money up at the start because they dont take it seriously, or someone with a good hand who knows people will call.
I usually fold the first hand unless its a really good hand.

dj11 · Dec 7, 2012

Before BF, this was more common.

IMHO, it is because the mindset of some (many?) players is Get Big Fast or Go Home. They may or may not be good players, but they do share that mindset. Most of the time they will be gone from the event pretty fast. These should be the ones you write notes about early in the event. Note the cards they shove and have to show.

The American'ts who played after BF, began running into deposit problems, and slowed their instincts down quite a bit.

Beanfacekilla · Dec 7, 2012

FWIW: I have actually been dealt AA one time that I can remember recently, on the first hand of a 1k gtd. or something of the like. I shoved all in, got about three callers, and lost to some random rags.

People are just that bad at poker. They shove because they are just gambling. They don't have the patience or control to play real poker. Even if they hit the lotto a few times early, they are so terrible they can't even hold on until first break usually.

But that is true now that I think about it. It seems almost always there is a shove and four callers on the first hand. Just silly.

MediaBLITZ · Dec 7, 2012

Well I did it one and only once and it was yesterday in a STTSNG. Very first hand I was UTG and was hoping for someone with AJ-AK would think shenanigans and call my shove with AA (after all, how much am I really going to get chip up on the first hand with tiny blinds by playing normal?)

No one called. I ended up winning it and I don't think this move that reads as a donkiac hurt, since I was well aware of the image it gave off.

rhombus · Dec 7, 2012

If you play on several sites and have to option to register for lots of freerolls then any reasonable hand go allin 1st hand.

Better to go out 1st hand then grind for 2 - hours and bubble

Beanfacekilla · Dec 7, 2012

rhombus said:
If you play on several sites and have to option to register for lots of freerolls then any reasonable hand go allin 1st hand.

Better to go out 1st hand then grind for 2 - hours and bubble

It is not possible for me to disagree more. You can't win a tournament in the first five minutes.

Different strokes for different folks. Poker takes patience. I take the game seriously, even if it is a freeroll.

sCATpoker · Dec 7, 2012

IMO it is a matter of pride one should never put themselves at voluntary risk at any stakes or buy in free or not. Do I listen to my own opinion...not as often as I should.

MIShroomer47 · Dec 8, 2012

This is never a winning play in real money tournies for me, more often than not everyone will fold and all I collect is 30 in blinds. much rather have some donators and take my chances raising 4-6xbb

Iselo · Dec 8, 2012

I wouldn't say this happens every time no matter what the limit is but it's certainly happens alot in micros and freerolls. Most of the times they're just stupid and think "might as well try to double up right away or it's not worth my time" but occaisonally they do have a the nuts so I try not to get involved in the action even if I have decent hand. Sometimes I even sit out for the first few minutes to let the donkey's bust each other and to not be temped to call an all in with a low pair just bc I think they're bluffing.

BLACKSTACK · Dec 8, 2012

ive noticed that some players that go all in and dont get called have a higher chance of taking out other players even if they are beat preflop, in freerolls i think the higher stack wins just to eliminate more players faster or how do you consider 3 players going all in with the 2 lower stack having pp AA,QQ and the higher stack calling with AK,to make matters worsethe flop is AQ10 flopis a dud 8 and magicly the river is a J eliminating the 2 lower stacks,ive seen this countless times,that is why i try to double my stack or at least try to have more chips at the beginning,to me its crucial to make it past the hour,again this is in a freeroll,just my $.02

Jblocher1 · Dec 8, 2012

These people are ridiculous bingos who dont care about the tourneys they r playing in. People like this anger me, because it appears as though they dont care much about the actual game, and only care about being obnoxious

Beanfacekilla · Dec 8, 2012

BLACKSTACK said:
ive noticed that some players that go all in and dont get called have a higher chance of taking out other players even if they are beat preflop, in freerolls i think the higher stack wins just to eliminate more players faster or how do you consider 3 players going all in with the 2 lower stack having pp AA,QQ and the higher stack calling with AK,to make matters worsethe flop is AQ10 flopis a dud 8 and magicly the river is a J eliminating the 2 lower stacks,ive seen this countless times,that is why i try to double my stack or at least try to have more chips at the beginning,to me its crucial to make it past the hour,again this is in a freeroll,just my $.02

Variance.

That is all.

ibsiegel · Dec 8, 2012

i have to agree blackstack. I have seen that happen more often then not in tournament play. I makes me wonder if the program is biased to lean the tables or if it is really generating cards continuously. If it is reducing then is it really a fair game?

Beanfacekilla · Dec 8, 2012

ibsiegel said:
i have to agree blackstack. I have seen that happen more often then not in tournament play. I makes me wonder if the program is biased to lean the tables or if it is really generating cards continuously. If it is reducing then is it really a fair game?

Here we go again. :icon_scra

Big_Rudy · Dec 8, 2012

ibsiegel said:
i have to agree blackstack. I have seen that happen more often then not in tournament play. I makes me wonder if the program is biased to lean the tables or if it is really generating cards continuously. If it is reducing then is it really a fair game?

Beanfacekilla said:
Here we go again. :icon_scra

We have a thread for this.....

BLACKSTACK · Dec 8, 2012

its a conspiracy man,somehow the sites are finding ways to eliminate the bad,lousyfish donking players,one day we will stand up to them and demand more suck outs

dirtyoldog · Dec 8, 2012

i agree its a joke its almost impossible to win if you are a decent player on these sites it should be random not rigged the bigger the donk the more they get rewarded thats why they go all in with trash cause the sites pay them to be ignorant

Beanfacekilla · Dec 8, 2012

We have indeed derailed. Heading for a cataclysmic collision with a mountain side.:afraid:

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