Originally Posted by Arjonius
People also shouldn't feel proud of never having deposited. I've never understood why some seem to. I'd really like it if someone would explain to me why he or she feels this is an achievement.
I think people find pride in it because they feel like they did it the hard way. They intentionally handicapped themselves at the start and still managed to build a bankroll. It's like playing golf against a friend and taking an insane handicap, but still winning. But, to me, poker is not about pride. It's about enjoyment and money. Did I enjoy playing all those hours? Yeah. But, I would have enjoyed them more if I was playing the game I wanted to play. More importantly, I spent a very long time hovering near zero before I could start really building a bankroll.
I'm not saying it's not an accomplishment. I am questioning whether or not it's one worth trying. Being able to make a basket from the half-court line in basketball is also an accomplishment. But, it's of little value. You don't see professional players spending months and months trying to make that shot and looking down on people who decided to not bother with than and focus on the fundamentals.
Originally Posted by donvic
vinnie and all,
can one start a business with virtually no money
and build it into a profitable success?
sure. i did it.
the advantages are...
you do not go into debt.
your forced to think about every penny.
you learn your success depends entirely on yourself...
i wouldn't do it any other way.
i suppose if one were single and did not have a
family.....then go ahead and risk the future.....
it not your child's education.
best to all,
I am confused by this. I didn't know that depositing $100 would risk my future or my child's education. There's nothing in my post that says "just keep depositing and playing as high as you want" in it. I consider $100-$500 to be "virtually no money." Many people could save $100 in a month if they would just cut down on some extra expenses.
If you put that $100 on a site and end up losing it, but feel like you're learning, making progress, and getting better then I wouldn't fault you for depositing again after another month. Again, $100 and starting at the lowest limits. I wouldn't suggest depositing $200 and jumping on a $1/$2 table to try and make it all back. In any case, I just don't think investing
virtually no money, $100 even if you deposit a couple times, into a potential business is going to ruin anyone's life.
If losing $100 is going to start a cascade of financial troubles that will destroy your family, your future, and your child's education then you've got much larger problems than poker.
Originally Posted by JaxA
I'm currently disabled with no source of income so I don't have much choice but to grind freerolls but if/when I get an income I'll want to deposit to take advantage of promotions/deposit bonuses and everything else you mentioned.
When I started playing poker online, I was working two jobs just to finish getting my degree. I was living on my own and paying for everything out of my own pocket (except for a few small scholarships). I literally had $5 a week that wasn't allotted for some expense. I could not deposit. One of my jobs involved working over-nights in a hotel (auditing and just holding down the fort), which gave me hours of time to play because the owners did not care as long as I was up to answer the phones if someone called.
So, that's why I did it. I understand. Sometimes, you really can't make a deposit. In that case, building from zero might be your only way. I wish you luck. It's a hard way to begin. Don't allow yourself to get frustrated.
Originally Posted by WVHillbilly
I've said it forever, the best way to build a bankroll is to get a job and deposit. A days work at McDonalds will set you up better than months of freerolls.
Yeah, it doesn't take much to seed a bankroll that would take months of running like a god in freerolls and at the cash tables to even come close to.
Well,I did it. [paraphrase]
Well, I did it, too. I am not claiming the challenge is impossible.
There is also a huge selection bias in trying the challenge from zero. Those few who manage to do it, or at least get off the ground, are the only ones left around to comment on it. People like my friend, who couldn't do it, aren't around to talk about how hard it is because they didn't succeed and gave up.
There's a huge selection bias in poker overall. I just think there's an even larger one for this challenge.