Why do people do this?

Reptar7

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Here is the hand:

Starting Game #52406811-6
BettyNo1 is the Dealer
Shuffling Cards
Dactal13 posted Small Blind 10
Mirce4z7 posted Big Blind 20
You Were Dealt (X,X)
CatalinCristian folds
jimmyd1953poker folds
Fancygirl1212 folds
pp69joe calls 20
viktoria19 folds
Reptar7 raised to 60
dino1999 folds
BettyNo1 folds
Dactal13 folds
Mirce4z7 folds
pp69joe calls 60
Dealing Flop (5h,4d,Ad)
pp69joe bets 20
Reptar7 raised to 210
pp69joe folds
Reptar7 wins 380 from Pot 1
Reptar7 mucks

So there is 170 in there on the flop, and he leads out 20. Why do people do this? Is there a good reason? It just seems really stupid. Whenever I see it, I just bet like I have the freaking nuts. I was going to bet pot, and I did, it just was a slightly larger pot. I would never call unless I was slow rolling them. Folding seems retarded too.
 
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So there is 170 in there on the flop, and he leads out 20. Why do people do this? Is there a good reason? It just seems really stupid.

People do this because they dont understand bet sizing, dont really understand the game and just press the buttons. Also I guess that it could be because a lot of people do it and many people may just mimic what they see others doing
 
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Hey, what's up Reptar. I've played you a couple of times...
Ordinarily, I would consider this a "donkish" type bet from a cs in most circumstances. In this situation maybe he had some sort of weak speculative hand pf, wanted to at least see the flop and then hit a weak draw. The bet he placed could have been a weak attempt as a "probe" bet to see where you're at post-f, or a "blocking" bet to induce you just to call/fold instead of raise. Without the proper bet-sizing as seanDCFC stated for an appropriate level of aggression it just turns into a waste of chips on a very weak play...
 
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Because they have no understanding of bet sizing or why they are betting. When I first started I'm sure I did things like that. At first people really don't understand the concept of ranges and bet sizing or anything really. I'm pretty good at maths yet it took me a month or so to work out good bet sizing and why those bet sizings were best, it took me a few more to start to work out how to size my bets differently based on someones range rather than just having a standard bet size. I never read anything about poker really and pretty much tried to work out all this stuff my myself. It's very easy to not quite understand bet sizing at first. I have a weak pair so I'll bet small. I have TP so I bet big. That is the original thought process of a player and as they play more and analyse spots the thought process runs deeper and an evolution of sorts takes place in thinking. Some players never really evolve past this though whilst some do. It's either a donk or a new player that makes this play, both due to lack of education.
 
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honestly never understood why people play so bad when they're playing FOR MONEY.

I spent a year reading and lurking this site without an account before I played any cash whatsover lol.

but yeah, thank **** for fish with money. :)
 
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because they dont know what the **** they're doing
 
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all of the above, or occasionally a misclick
 
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It's most often done as a weak blocking bet, but can sometimes be done to feign weakness. Unless you have indications to the contrary, you can treat it like a check.
 
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I see this all the time as well. It amazes me that more people don't seem to catch on that this is almost always a "I caught a small piece of board. Let me bet and I will fold if I get raised".

It's very rare that this is a very strong hand, so I'm willing to raise almost 100% of time against this player.

I'm got two questions for you?

Why a 3x raise instead of 4x after a limper?

Why a overraise on the flop. 2/3 pot raise is going to produce the same results as your overraise. Now you will be screwed if they go over the top with some nuts. Don't put so many chips at risk.
 
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Why a 3x raise instead of 4x after a limper?

I just figured he was calling anyways and I wanted to get rid of the blinds.

Why a overraise on the flop. 2/3 pot raise is going to produce the same results as your overraise. Now you will be screwed if they go over the top with some nuts. Don't put so many chips at risk.

I bet that much because I wanted to go in, my hand was very strong. I was playing for stacks. If he had an ace, I thought he might bite. If this guy was playing level 1, like I think his 20 bet into 170 maybe shows, then he would view raising a lot as a very strong hand. If it is a blocker bet, like it could be and I can't really comprehend how that would be effective, then the 20 could draw me in to over commit, but I wasn't worried about that in this particular hand because of my holdings.
 
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I think what Jaxpaboo is trying to get at is the intent of your bets. Bets are meant primarily to get a stronger hand to fold or to build value when you're sure you have the stronger hand. A 4BB instead of a standard 3BB bet may have answered the question of a player's holdings by a fold when they see you raising slightly more than the standard. The second issue is that if you felt your hand was indeed stronger post-f, then a 2/3 pot (about 112 chips or so) may have kept the opponent in long enough where you could have extracted more value by making him chase (...albeit dangerous to try on Carbon with all the suckouts). 20 into 170 is about the odds of betting on a flush/straight draw. I'm thinking that you may have been worried about him hitting a draw even with your suspected stronger holdings and reacted instinctively by giving him absolutely no odds to take that risk...
 
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It's most often done as a weak blocking bet, but can sometimes be done to feign weakness. Unless you have indications to the contrary, you can treat it like a check.

Known as a "Chip Check" - or "what the hell, maybe they missed the flop worse than I did."
 
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