Why do a lot of people say JJ is a terrible hand?

#1 June 16th, 2020, 7:50 PM

What do think about It?

#2 June 16th, 2020, 7:59 PM

I think that is a good hand, but is very difficult play it correctly

#3 June 16th, 2020, 8:07 PM

JJ is a great hand if you know how to play it. Most inexperienced players struggle with it because they either play it too passively or to aggressively and find themselves in tough spots. It does require some nuance. Its a hand that you want to typically raise, and occasionally jam in the right scenario. When you flop an overpair with it, you should generally go with it on 100bb stacks. When you flop middle pair or worse you should look to get to showdown or fold to aggression. Its not always a fun hand to play, but with basic skill you should do quite favorably.

#4 June 16th, 2020, 8:09 PM

It could put you in hard decisions after flop. Once A, K or Q flops, you will need a good read on the villain if you face a raise.
No reason to fold it. But it's not a premium hand, in my opinion.

#5 June 16th, 2020, 8:21 PM

People say this because we're programmed to remember the tricky decisions and lost pots. But overall, JJ is a great hand. It does very well against most opponent ranges, and in the long run, you'll likely win good money when you're dealt it over a large enough sample Why do a lot of people say JJ is a terrible hand?

Why do a lot of people say JJ is a terrible hand?

#6 June 16th, 2020, 8:36 PM

In early position, the classic approach with pocket jacks is to bet hard, 4 times big blind. You want to isolate the number of players that call. In late position, in similar fashion I want to push out players. Assuming that I am heads up on the flop, I am going to do a continuation bet on the flop, almost no matter what. However, if this is re-raised I am out. I was knocked out of a big tournament final table by hooks when I had AK. I don't underestimate the power of this hand, but it must be played carefully.

#7 June 16th, 2020, 8:38 PM

Because every time you raise with it then a re-raise inevitably means you�re up against AA KK or QQ. Hard to get away from.

#8 June 16th, 2020, 11:37 PM

All starting hands are similar. With any one you can win a big pot or lose the same amount. It all depends on the mistakes that can be made in any hand, be careful, do not play rashly and too aggressively on dangerous flops or if there is an overcard, and any hand will be good for You. Why do a lot of people say JJ is a terrible hand?

#9 June 16th, 2020, 11:47 PM

It's a face card so you feel good about it. However, any flop with QK or A immediately makes you sweat.

#10 June 16th, 2020, 11:49 PM

I wouldn't call it a terrible hand, but you have to remember, there's a 50% chance that an Ace, King or a Queen will come on the flop. Then what do you do when one or more of them flop?

#11 June 16th, 2020, 11:53 PM

Originally Posted by Erik moraes

What do think about It?

It's not a terrible hand. It's just a hand where you have to be careful. Someone goes all-in with Ace-King and you are in a bad spot. Praying for no king or ace haha. I have been there both on the winning and losing side so it is not necessarily a bad hand just a hand where you never know what will happen. If you can I would raise and see the flop but not go all-in unless someone else does then you gotta think about it. Hope this helps Why do a lot of people say JJ is a terrible hand?

#12 June 17th, 2020, 12:21 AM

I have not only 2 jacks but also 10 10 excellent pair. And all that is less than a couple dozen already seems to have average value for me. But anyway, any pocket pair is better than AK.

#13 June 17th, 2020, 12:28 AM

I like JJ as a starting hand. I will reraise a raise with this hand. I try to win the pot right away in Tournament play. If you do see a flop you have to know when to lay it down.

#14 June 17th, 2020, 12:45 AM

JJ is a good hand but can be a tough hand to play. If you see a flop you will often see an over card on the board. People tend to have a tough time understanding where they are in a hand after the flop.

#15 June 17th, 2020, 5:50 AM

It depend on the situation of the place completely.

It isn't a so bad hand.

#16 June 17th, 2020, 7:45 PM

Because i guess everybody consider AA,KK,QQ and JJ stong hands.
But in this case JJ is the weakest.
And when you go all in with JJ preflop,you don't have great odds liek you have with AA.

#17 June 17th, 2020, 9:07 PM

Becauseit's vulnerable and people often lose significant pots with it. I like it, because it is a strong hand, you just have to realize how vulnerable it is, and play it cautiously. And be willing to fold it late in a hand, when even though you've invested some significant money into the pot, you can tell you are beat.

#18 June 17th, 2020, 11:28 PM

Because it is a hand most people have a hard time walking away from. It should not be too hard to fold if you see you are beat, but people would rather lose their whole stack and sink with JJ than believe another person paired the A, K, or Q. In their hand. Even more embarassing, you guess correctly, villain has no A, K, or Q. They flop a set with low cards, complete a straight, or hold the flush. And you rebuy, because you believe JJ is the nuts with no face cards on the table. And villain shows, um, that you do not have the nuts.

#19 June 17th, 2020, 11:32 PM

Hi There

Altough I won some hands I lost others
But indeed is a difficult hand to play the right way
Anyway, i would go allin with it
Rgds

#20 June 19th, 2020, 2:48 AM

Pocket Jacks is a very good hand. The "terrible" part comes from when it is hard to lay down the hand when Q'S, K'S or A'S hit any part of the board. You could potentially lose a lot of chips if you call a bet on the turn and river and your opponent has you beat with a better hand.

#21 June 19th, 2020, 3:33 AM

It can be difficult to play post flop.

#22 June 19th, 2020, 3:44 AM

JJ is a great hand but you have to know how to play it postflop. as any hand, it can be beat. people just over-value it and get it trouble because of that. ive seen people go all-in with JJ after the flop which comes up A, Q, 5. thats just a receipe for disaster.

#23 June 19th, 2020, 5:33 AM

NEVER diss Jacks around me. Ever.

I have had great experiences with Jacks and I only had to fold them preflop once every five months.

Somehow I have seen tens win more often than Jacks.

#24 June 19th, 2020, 5:59 AM

Originally Posted by Erik moraes

What do think about It?

I personally like JJ. I usually put in a good size raise and if someone calls me and the flop is everything under JJ, I then put in another large bet, pot size at minimum or I even jam if the situation is right.

#25 June 19th, 2020, 7:08 AM

Originally Posted by Collin Moshman

People say this because we're programmed to remember the tricky decisions and lost pots. But overall, JJ is a great hand. It does very well against most opponent ranges, and in the long run, you'll likely win good money when you're dealt it over a large enough sample Why do a lot of people say JJ is a terrible hand?

Agreed - you have to know your opponents and try and pick up on their patterns. It's almost as if you are no longer playing your cards, but rather your opponents. Even if an overcard comes, it's not necessarily a bad thing.....REMEMBER, that overcard may be bad for them as well, so you want to apply pressure in the right situation. That comes with practice. It sounds easy, but I'm still trying to figure this out too.

Originally Posted by Frank7Chipman

In early position, the classic approach with pocket jacks is to bet hard, 4 times big blind. You want to isolate the number of players that call. In late position, in similar fashion I want to push out players. Assuming that I am heads up on the flop, I am going to do a continuation bet on the flop, almost no matter what. However, if this is re-raised I am out. I was knocked out of a big tournament final table by hooks when I had AK. I don't underestimate the power of this hand, but it must be played carefully.

If you do that, what if someone 3 bets you? The problem with a big pre-flop raise is that you are building a bigger pot pre-flop. You don't necessarily want to do that either, because now, you have more chips in the pot even before a flop comes, and THEN what? If you have an opponent who is tricky, they can apply pressure to you.

Conversely, if the best case scenario hits, and you flop a set, then you're in REAL good shape. I guess it's just about how you feel about committing more chips pre-flop.

Originally Posted by stephan7

It's not a terrible hand. It's just a hand where you have to be careful. Someone goes all-in with Ace-King and you are in a bad spot. Praying for no king or ace haha. I have been there both on the winning and losing side so it is not necessarily a bad hand just a hand where you never know what will happen. If you can I would raise and see the flop but not go all-in unless someone else does then you gotta think about it. Hope this helps Why do a lot of people say JJ is a terrible hand?

If you're in a tournament situation and you are facing a single all-in, you're almost always calling with that hand. If you run into Queens, Kings, or Aces, well, that's just a cooler. But, seeing AK, while not great, it still a drawing hand and has to improve, so you WANT to be in that situation where you have the better hand. Remember, to win poker tournaments, as Gripsed (Evan Jarvis) mentioned on his stream today (twitch.tv/gripsed) you have to run well, run ahead of expectation and avoid getting unlucky.

#26 June 19th, 2020, 7:30 AM

Mostly because you will deal with overcards a majority of the time and when deep stacked it becomes a bit difficult to navigate the hand. When you are shorter stacked playing the hand is quite easy tho !

ALL IN Why do a lot of people say JJ is a terrible hand?

#27 June 19th, 2020, 11:12 AM

They say it is a terrible hand because they never win with it. It's great against a worse pocket pair though.

#28 June 19th, 2020, 11:54 AM

Almost every time I have jj, the opponent must have Q,K or A that come to him,but a couple of days ago I had QQ and the opponent has jj, and what do you think, who won of course jj.

#29 June 19th, 2020, 12:49 PM

It is a good hand with special challenges. You want as many people to call your AA as possible, usually KK too. QQ you want to drive some of them out preflop. But JJ? Do you want to drive everyone out and risk winning only the blinds, or risk multiple overcards?

#30 June 19th, 2020, 2:47 PM

Well ... it seems to me a good hand ... however it will depend a lot on the position we are in to take advantage of it ... and on the flop we must be careful to play it well ...!

#31 June 19th, 2020, 3:01 PM

I also find it a complicated hand. To play allin, only if it is in case of extreme need, or if you are not going to compromise all your chips.

#32 June 19th, 2020, 3:08 PM

If you don't hit the set you will always have to make difficult decisions. It is hard to have to drop JJ pre-flop, even harder to have to drop it post-flop when a naughty q appears, but it is still hard to continue and lose to a QJ.

#33 June 19th, 2020, 3:16 PM

They must say that because they have lost several hands with JJ, for me it is a very good hand! You have a good chance of winning, but many times it is difficult to play it because if you get an A K Q on the flop it scares you a little ha ha

#34 June 19th, 2020, 3:18 PM

The same as A's and 8's being a bad hand. Some players start to say there is no good way to play them (JJ), so as the years go on more and more people say it.
I feel they are just like all other cards, learn how to play them and stick to a game plan.

#35 June 19th, 2020, 3:41 PM

it happens that JJ in many cases becomes a weak hand due to the fact that his percentage falls as soon as major cards or projects appear, this pair is particular

#36 June 19th, 2020, 5:01 PM

the main ability of JJ to play correctly is to make this hand profitable; in the multi-pot and on the flop there is no j-yj there are higher cards and we understand that the strength of the hand is much lower compared to the flop!

#37 November 30th, 2020, 12:50 AM

I did lose couple times in tournaments with JJ , You hardly can throw it away before the flop even if 3-4 bets , so you never know where you are at ,and to be honest with you ,it is a very costly hand

#38 November 30th, 2020, 1:11 AM

Hard to give up and hard to win,too. Why do a lot of people say JJ is a terrible hand?

#39 November 30th, 2020, 1:14 AM

JJ vs Premium Range (TT+, AT+. KT+, QT+, JT+)
Has 60& preflop but only losing by 45% of EQ when a Q+ with minor cards is in play.
Try to do pot control and keep it small, also be careful when you open raise with JJ in Early Position if someone 3bet you should probably fold.

I think JJ shines in Late position when your range is more open and can control the pot more easily to make it small or big if you hit set.

#40 November 30th, 2020, 2:02 AM

I think j j is nice hand , when you meet with j j all in is a best way to win big , mostly you will win . Other way if you call you will win less , i like j j more than A A , J J is a chance to doubble your chips , Why do a lot of people say JJ is a terrible hand?

#41 November 30th, 2020, 9:09 PM

I Think....
because it really is a terrible hand !!!!! hahahaha

#42 December 1st, 2020, 7:02 PM

I didn't know people thought JJ was a bad hand! I think it's harder to play for sure because of the risky AKQs out there but maybe being cautious pays off with a little effort to play the hand?

#43 December 1st, 2020, 7:28 PM

Originally Posted by Julez97

JJ is a great hand if you know how to play it. Most inexperienced players struggle with it because they either play it too passively or to aggressively and find themselves in tough spots. It does require some nuance. Its a hand that you want to typically raise, and occasionally jam in the right scenario. When you flop an overpair with it, you should generally go with it on 100bb stacks. When you flop middle pair or worse you should look to get to showdown or fold to aggression. Its not always a fun hand to play, but with basic skill you should do quite favorably.

I will agree with you on this
Yes you have to play it smartly.
Not over do it nor underplay it.
I would say your winning or losing the JJ will be decided on how you play between preflop and on the flop.
Post flop will or would change the whole play.
Why do a lot of people say JJ is a terrible hand?

#44 December 1st, 2020, 7:35 PM

I don't know why they say that. I have won many times and very good pots with JJ. You have to know how to play it. Don't despair, and know how to fold when necessary. Do not trust yourself, see your place at the table, and also how the other players play. But I think you gain more than what you lose with JJ. Why do a lot of people say JJ is a terrible hand?

#45 December 1st, 2020, 7:37 PM

I agree it is tough to play J's. Hope to catch one if you do.

#46 December 1st, 2020, 7:39 PM

I rather play with 2s... than Js...

with 2s you can easily dump that hand...with Js...GEZZZZZ... I stuck all way round to it... and at the end get broke by As or Qs or Ks... T_T

#47 December 1st, 2020, 7:43 PM

it's a good hand, what happens is that you have to play it very carefully

#48 December 1st, 2020, 7:45 PM

i think cause you cant fold them ,its a good pocket ,you cant go all in to much possibilities of hier cards

#49 December 1st, 2020, 7:48 PM

When you have JJ as a starting hand I feel like you are a sitting duck to the players that go in with a Q K or \Ace and some crap card. All they need to hook is another Q K or Ace and you are toast ........... unless you happen to be lucky enough to get another JAck

#50 December 1st, 2020, 7:51 PM

Pocket jacks are a tricky hand to play. In fact, many players hate this hand. However, it is important to remember that pocket jacks are one of the strongest starting hands and therefore one of the most profitable. But you need to understand when to bet and raise with JJ, and when the best decision is to fold this hand. Next, I will give you a few guidelines to help you start playing pocket jacks more profitably.

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