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Hey everyone, I haven't been playing poker long. I am using poker tracker and found that in my final hands my pairs and high cards are bringing me down a lot. I assume that you will always have a deficit with high cards but I need to sort the pairs out.

I would appreciate it if anyone could get any kind of information from these stats that could help me. Also how much do you raise preflop. I am playing 1/2 cent games and usually bet 3 times the bb unless there are a lot of limpers.

Help would be great thanks!

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well im going to take a stab at this. maybe your overplaying your pairs? my low pairs i like to see a cheap flop and see what my hand turns in to other wise i usually frow it away. with your high cards, are you continuation betting them because remember you only hit the flop with any 2 cards 33% of the time so dont be betting just when you've hit. for all i know you have been co betting but im just guessing on the info you've given.

hope this helps in some way
 
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ryanmccauley211 said:
Hey everyone, I haven't been playing poker long. I am using poker tracker and found that in my final hands my pairs and high cards are bringing me down a lot. I assume that you will always have a deficit with high cards but I need to sort the pairs out.

I would appreciate it if anyone could get any kind of information from these stats that could help me. Also how much do you raise preflop. I am playing 1/2 cent games and usually bet 3 times the bb unless there are a lot of limpers.

Help would be great thanks!

n0j9btxg
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If you're looking at final hands and not starting hands, it's normal for one pair hands to be losers. I'm at work so no Db to check but I'll post how much I lose overall when my final hand is one pair later.
 
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WVHillbilly said:
If you're looking at final hands and not starting hands, it's normal for one pair hands to be losers. I'm at work so no Db to check but I'll post how much I lose overall when my final hand is one pair later.
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Over my 250K hands at 50nl, I am a loser with high card, one pair and 2pair hands. 3.3BB/100 winner overall.
 
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I would not be 3-betting PP, i would only do so in the CO, and button, Maybe the SB, that's a big maybe.
You sound like some of the ones i have played in 10NL rush, think K high, or Ace weak kicker will do it.
2NL takes ABC poker to win.

Low PP we want to see a flop cheap, so we can try to hit a set.

I've had AK in rush and lost with it, a lot of the time, i think haft of the time was from me checking the hand.
I do worst, with AK suited.
AK suited i am ------ in
AK un suited i am ++++ in
Tho i don't know why, i bet both the same way.
 
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kidkvno1 said:
I would not be 3-betting PP, i would only do so in the CO, and button, Maybe the SB, that's a big maybe.
You sound like some of the ones i have played in 10NL rush, think K high, or Ace weak kicker will do it.
2NL takes ABC poker to win.

Low PP we want to see a flop cheap, so we can try to hit a set.

I've had AK in rush and lost with it, a lot of the time, i think haft of the time was from me checking the hand.
I do worst, with AK suited.
AK suited i am ------ in
AK un suited i am ++++ in
Tho i don't know why, i bet both the same way.
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Wtf does that gibberish have to do with anything the OP (or anyone) is talking about ITT???
 
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WVHillbilly said:
Wtf does that gibberish have to do with anything the OP (or anyone) is talking about ITT???
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[ ] Suffers Fools Gladly

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To OP, you'd need to play extremely short handed, extremely aggressive games and extremely short stacked games for a single pair to be a winner overall as final hand. Otherwise, what WV said.
 
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BelgoSuisse said:
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To OP, you'd need to play extremely short handed, extremely aggressive games and extremely short stacked games for a single pair to be a winner overall as final hand. Otherwise, what WV said.
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Really?

Extremly short stacked would be less than 2 bb's I think, and pocket pairs are profitable long before that. Probably more profitable if you have some fold equity to go with it.

I guess it depends if its cash games or SnG's :)
 
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Op Plays cash. You're really short Stacked with 20bb. With 2bb, you're not shortstacked, you're busto.
 
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only_bridge said:
Really?

Extremly short stacked would be less than 2 bb's I think, and pocket pairs are profitable long before that. Probably more profitable if you have some fold equity to go with it.

I guess it depends if its cash games or SnG's :)
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Also his question is not about pocket pairs. It's about final hands of 1 pair or less. So yes sometimes that's a unimproved pp and other times it's hitting a single pair with unpaired hole cards.

FWIW I checked my db for my HU play (small 17K hand sample) after Belgo posted last night and even HU 1 pair FINAL hands were not profitable for me. 2pair and better was though (13BB/100 over that small sample).
 
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WVHillbilly said:
Wtf does that gibberish have to do with anything the OP (or anyone) is talking about ITT???
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Um placing to much on PP and AK, AQ, AJ....

PP's has made me more, then 2 pair has.
 
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BelgoSuisse said:
You still havent read the op, have you?
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I did, i also had one other post on my mind.

Thought, we don't know the sample size.
I know my sample size in 2NL is to small, to get any good data from it.
 
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ryanmccauley211 said:
Hey everyone, I haven't been playing poker long. I am using poker tracker and found that in my final hands my pairs and high cards are bringing me down a lot. I assume that you will always have a deficit with high cards but I need to sort the pairs out.

I would appreciate it if anyone could get any kind of information from these stats that could help me. Also how much do you raise preflop. I am playing 1/2 cent games and usually bet 3 times the bb unless there are a lot of limpers.

Help would be great thanks!

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kidkvno1 said:
I did, i also had one other post on my mind.

Thought, we don't know the sample size.
I know my sample size in 2NL is to small, to get any good data from it.
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Try again and focus on the bolded words.
 
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Thanks everyone for your replys! if pairs as final hands are not usually profitable would a feasable strategy be to not bet on them much and to only play two pair or better?
 
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Don't bet to much on low pair cards or better yet, don't play them at all.
 
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