When to take the risk and go ALL IN...???

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I was wondering when you all feel the need to go all in, especially post-flop. I feel that sometimes I go all in when a simple raise would get more chips into the pot or scare people away that I don't want in the hand.

for example, two days ago I was playing a freeroll (yes, I know that a lot of people will tell me freerolls play differently, which I understand they do, but thats mainly what I play so i guess this is more of a freeroll strategy thing anyways...) and had QsQc. I doubled the bb pre-flop and had one caller who had just joined my table and I had 0 info on.

flop came 6s 8h Qd

As I saw I hit my set, I sat on my hand, checked over to the other player who raised me 1/3 of my chips (about 1/10 of his). As he was a big stack, I figured him for A 10 or something similar, hoping he figured that even if I paired my Q he still had outs. I re-raised all in, was immediatly called, and was facing down a doublw barreled gun loaded with bullets... After runner runner Ace, I was dejected and out of the tournement.

Did I make the right move? should I have checked to 4th street? Any All-in related advice will be appreciated!!
 
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First off, you played it fine. Queen against aces are going to get all the money in the middle more often than not. You got lucky and hit the flop but unlucky on the turn and river. Nothing you could have done.

As to your question about when to go all in, there's no way that can be answered. There is no set rules about this. It's all dependant on the situation. Is there a draw on the board? Do I have the best hand? Is my stack big enough to make others fold if I want them to? All these things (and many others I haven't mentioned) have to be considered in each situation before deciding whether or not to pull the trigger.
 
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I think that no matter what happened whether you checked to 4th street or not you would have been all in on the turn when he would have most likely bet a large percentage of your remaining stack when he hit his set on the turn. so you are not really at fault for doing what you did. i think you should only go all in when it should get others to fold (some people are scared to call an all in instead of an amount because they think you must have a hand to risk all your chips) or if you can get the right value for what you put into the middle

gl on and off the felt
 
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Hotwings, you should have read the OP a bit better, he was all in on the flop.

Genso prett much covered everything, you played it right but got unlucky on the turn and river. That was a pretty bad suckout but it does happen in poker. I'd bet the villian put you on top pair only and thought he had you trapped with his AA's to explain his play in a freeroll.
 
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you played fine even if you did push preflop wont do much good its hard to put someone on a set with little info they have on you so im sure he was 100 percent sure he had you even tho that wasnt the case. the reraise u did after he bet was diffinity the right move he had the goods just had a bad ending thats poker for ya my friend
 
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i think you played fine...
one caller and you got a set?? i know i would go all in too..
 
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Not sure you could have done anything different and had a better outcome. Niether of you were going to be able to get away from those hands. I was busted out a sit n go yesterday under similar circumstances - I had packet Aces only this time I didn't hit the set and the other guy rivered a Q for a set. From my limited experience, there are many factors to consider whether or not to shove (your hand, the board, your opponets, your position, and on and on). In any case, nothing wrong with how you played the hand = at least from my perspective.
 
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adventurebound you are wrong because i was giving the hypothetical situation if he did not get all in until the turn... i said that he would have been all in there so he didnt play that wrong at all
 
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Hitting runner-runner aces when you don't have one is going to be a killer quite often. I'll usually go all-in as soon as I'm pretty sure I'll get a call and I'm pretty sure I'll win it all. It's as simple as that.
 
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Thanks for all the reassurance... at least it feels good that everyone here thinks I played the hand right. Guess that just wasn't my time, and I guess I'll just have to learn to read hands better and figure out for myself when to shove all my chips in.
 
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You played the hand just fine. You both had monsters. You got lucky on the flop by hitting top set which is also the nuts (for the flop at least). Some people might consider smooth calling just to slow play but going All In is fine also. You got unlucky on the turn when he hit his set and you only had one out to hit on the river which you didn't.

You played that hand great, but luck got the best of you that's all.
 
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wait, the guy only had one Ace and he hit Aces on the turn and river to beat you?

If this is true than I can see nothing you did wrong. I would take trips over a high card any day. Sometimes you are just unlucky though. Was this a Full tilt freeroll?
 
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wait, the guy only had one Ace and he hit Aces on the turn and river to beat you?

If this is true than I can see nothing you did wrong. I would take trips over a high card any day. Sometimes you are just unlucky though. Was this a Full tilt freeroll?

That's what I thought I read, too. Did the villain end up with AAAA? Because that's the only way runner-runner Ace was going to beat you and your full house.

Regardless, you played the hand absolutely correctly!
 
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The short answer is: when it's not a risk.

One of the best pieces of book advice I ever read was, if you think you're going to get all-in, get all-in on the turn.
 
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I often go ALL IN with the following books: AA ...AK...AQ....AJ....KK....KQ of the same color....KJ.....QQ QJ of the same color ... . JJ and 1010 ... but sometimes when you lose a hand in many chips ... and they annoy me ALL IN with any card:)!
 
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Dudee... if he got runner runner ace you would have gotten full house!
You couldnt have lost that hand with those runners so your story is
probably made up lol, but let me get back to your question... yes you
should of played it differently. Usually if you go allin they would have
folded if they didnt catch anything, but if you raise a good amount, the
freerollers tend to reraise allin, considering the fact that you might
be trying to bluff them out of the pot.
 
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I often go ALL IN with the following books: AA ...AK...AQ....AJ....KK....KQ of the same color....KJ.....QQ QJ of the same color ... . JJ and 1010 ... but sometimes when you lose a hand in many chips ... and they annoy me ALL IN with any card:)!


lol....what about 99 and 88:D
 
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The same situation can also occur in table games.
In a $1-$2 no limit game at my local casino I had 9-9 in middle position and bet $15 and had 4 callers. The flop came 5-9-3 giving me the nuts at that time. A player in the blinds who called the original bet suddenly bet $100. Having $150 left in my stack, I decided to push, 3 others folded but the original bettor, who had a larger stack, called me after thinking. We didn't show our cards and the turn and river came T-x. I showed my set and then he showed T-T.
:( I just lost a $350 pot to a 2-outer.
This might indicate the importance of stack size.
If I would have had a larger stack than my opponent and I pushed, he might have folded, not wanting to lose all his chips.
With my smaller stack, if I just called the $100 bet I would only have $50 left, and he probably would have put me all-in on the turn.
There are also other considerations, such as position, first to push, call an all-in raise, type of opponent, et al, but also consider stack size. For me an all-in bet indicates the nuts or possibly a bluff.
 
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That sucks
I know the feeling.
I think you played it Good.
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If you would have called his bet.
Then on the turn an A came.
You would still have to push or call whatever he bet.
In this case I don't see how you could have got away from your set.

I would say:
Bad Beat
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Better Luck Next Time
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I was wondering when you all feel the need to go all in, especially post-flop. I feel that sometimes I go all in when a simple raise would get more chips into the pot or scare people away that I don't want in the hand.

for example, two days ago I was playing a freeroll (yes, I know that a lot of people will tell me freerolls play differently, which I understand they do, but thats mainly what I play so i guess this is more of a freeroll strategy thing anyways...) and had QsQc. I doubled the bb pre-flop and had one caller who had just joined my table and I had 0 info on.

flop came 6s 8h Qd

As I saw I hit my set, I sat on my hand, checked over to the other player who raised me 1/3 of my chips (about 1/10 of his). As he was a big stack, I figured him for A 10 or something similar, hoping he figured that even if I paired my Q he still had outs. I re-raised all in, was immediatly called, and was facing down a doublw barreled gun loaded with bullets... After runner runner Ace, I was dejected and out of the tournement.

Did I make the right move? should I have checked to 4th street? Any All-in related advice will be appreciated!!

maybe its just me but you played the hand correct. sounds like something that would happen on full tilt poker lol. has happened to me many times. i feel you couldn't have played it any better.
 
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There is no shame in the way the hand played out. I would have ended up all in by the river anyway you slice it. ul as they say.
 
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I once went allin and got called, or called an allin, preflop 7 times in a 5min period during one tourney.
Every time it was some kind of raise situation.
And every time there was at least 20% dead money in the pot.
I'd say when there is that much free money in every pot it would be hard for me not to push all in.
Controversaly if the stacks are very deep, and very little dead money I would not go for it.
However Q's is a very strong hand, very often commanding favourite in the pot.
 
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As soon as you go all in especially with the Turn and River still to come you need luck. Anything can happen. What I would say however is that you were favourite to win with trip Q's. He could not have had a better hand at that stage. I thought you were going to tell us he hit a straight and that would have been tough although not as tough as runner runner A's.
 
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