When playing cash games do you cash out after a big win?

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Example:
You sit at the 1/2c table with 1 dollar.
After a few hands you get pocket kings, and flop a fullhouse Jack Jack King,
Villain had a Jack so you play it cool and check raise, he went all in
youre now up to 1.75 (peanuts I know)

But do you cash out and rejoin with 1 dollar, or do you hold you position and bully the table with a larger stack?

Edit: im asking should I cash out because until i learn how to play cash games i dont feel there is much benefit.
 
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They're not gonna let you rejoin the same table with a smaller stack. Whether you rejoin another table depends on how spewy you are, but if you can control yourself having a big stack is usually better. Especially if you have reads you can exploit already.
 
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..and buy in for 100bbs to start anyway ($2)
 
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..and buy in for 100bbs to start anyway ($2)
This. There's merit to buying in for the minimum, then shove/folding a supertight range (it's easy enough to get someone to call with worse when you're just shoving in 40bb and everyone's got a big stack), but other than that you want to have as much as possible on table for max implied odds.
 
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im conservitive so if i get up to double my sit down stack i leave if i do stay i tend to lose it all back it seems
 
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They're not gonna let you rejoin the same table with a smaller stack. Whether you rejoin another table depends on how spewy you are, but if you can control yourself having a big stack is usually better. Especially if you have reads you can exploit already.
Good point, I could rejoin another table for the min
..and buy in for 100bbs to start anyway ($2)

So I can maximise profits when I hit my hand I assume? so im not just starting with 50 bigs. if I have 100 bigs, I can get nearer 200 if I hit a hand and someone shoves?
 
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im conservitive so if i get up to double my sit down stack i leave if i do stay i tend to lose it all back it seems

This is what I dont want to happen, but I guess if you cant learn self control when you double your stack then you are screwed for any games in the future.

So what the above are saying, having bettere implied odds, big stack to put pressure on people with. and when the time comes to double up you benefit more having a bigger stack.
 
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yeah, and you dont leave when you double up.

you stay if the game is profitable, which is pretty much every game at 2nl.

whether you're up or down has no effect.
 
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when i double my money i tend too cash out.. but i attleast join with 50$ table .25 /.50 blinds
 
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yeah, and you dont leave when you double up.

you stay if the game is profitable, which is pretty much every game at 2nl.

whether you're up or down has no effect.
Thank you, You have giving some good advice.
Ill take this onboard.
when i double my money i tend too cash out.. but i attleast join with 50$ table .25 /.50 blinds

yeah my bkr is 51.07
it was 47 when I made this tread, so that was my profit from 1/2c and then i doubled up in a 2/4c game . Im really liking th fact you can wait out the blinds longer than tournys
 
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"When playing cash games do you cash out after a big win?"

No. You hear that all the time: "Why didn't you cash out when you were $X ahead?" when you went broke, but not when you come away with $10X.

If the game remains good, then I'm still in there. If it isn't, if that big win leaves everyone short stacked, they're not reloading, there aren't any pools of new fish waiting for an opening, then it's time to consider calling it a night.

Hard rules for quitting just don't cut it. Put in as many hours as you can when you're +EV, and as few when you're -EV.
 
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Yeah I never understood why people just hit and run the moment they win a hand.

If the table has donks, you stay if you have an edge (unless you are a donk too, then you have no edge I guess).

I never understood buying in short either. You are limiting the amount you can win in a big hand. Seems silly to me. I never buy in short.

But if that's your game plan, whatever man. If it works for you, have at it.
 
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Yeah I never understood why people just hit and run the moment they win a hand.

If the table has donks, you stay if you have an edge (unless you are a donk too, then you have no edge I guess).

I never understood buying in short either. You are limiting the amount you can win in a big hand. Seems silly to me. I never buy in short.

But if that's your game plan, whatever man. If it works for you, have at it.


I have no 'game plan' as such. I asked the question, and I completely agree with what you and others have said. Im in a flexible position, so im not gonna get fixed to my way of playing, any information and other peoples view on the game is great, better to have the information then just blindly think my way is working so therefore its best.

Im looking for this critical kind of thinking. Only way to improve outside of putting in the hours.
Ps kinda do donk like shit when I zone out. (see previous bad beat threads I actually donked in)
 
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I have no 'game plan' as such. I asked the question, and I completely agree with what you and others have said. Im in a flexible position, so im not gonna get fixed to my way of playing, any information and other peoples view on the game is great, better to have the information then just blindly think my way is working so therefore its best.

Im looking for this critical kind of thinking. Only way to improve outside of putting in the hours.
Ps kinda do donk like shit when I zone out. (see previous bad beat threads I actually donked in)

I wasn't at all being a jerk, or trying to sound elitist. Someone else piped up about buying in short too I think.

None of my posts are ever meant to disrespect anyone, or put them down. I just want to make sure you know that. If the post came off like that, it wasn't meant to. I was just sharing my opinion, and the way I like to do things.

Anyways, may the flop be with you.....:cool:
 
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Well, I buy in for 100BB but if I grow to 250BB and there is 1-2 stack of my size there, I tend to leave since getting sucked out on 250BB is pretty putrid (QQ vs AA for 250BB is shit).

Also I am not sure how much to adjust 3betting/4beting ranges with such a big stack.

Not to mention that sometimes we are both eying each other and nobody dares move on the other guy since neither seems spewy.

P.S. If other big stack(s) are fish then yes I stay and wait for the nuts :D
 
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Well, I buy in for 100BB but if I grow to 250BB and there is 1-2 stack of my size there, I tend to leave since getting sucked out on 250BB is pretty putrid (QQ vs AA for 250BB is shit).

Also I am not sure how much to adjust 3betting/4beting ranges with such a big stack.

Not to mention that sometimes we are both eying each other and nobody dares move on the other guy since neither seems spewy.

P.S. If other big stack(s) are fish then yes I stay and wait for the nuts :D

Man I have worked my way up to 3 buy-ins a few times (maybe more than a few over the years, none recently knock on wood), and got stacked by another big stack. That sucks so bad.

I pretty much play the same big stack or not. I am very conservative at the table unless I am playing against people who will let me push them around. I do not like putting myself in marginal situations and spewing chips. It is too much work to get them to begin with.
 
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I pretty much play the same big stack or not. I am very conservative at the table unless I am playing against people who will let me push them around. I do not like putting myself in marginal situations and spewing chips. It is too much work to get them to begin with.
That may be a leak. You generally have to vary your gameplay at least somewhat when the effective stacks get bigger, because you run into increasingly bad reverse implied odds with any hand that's not the near-nuts. So for example you frequently have to preflop 4-bet super-strong hands (QQ+) defensively, because letting your opponent chase you into the flop allows him the possibility of flopping a monster (or even worse, making your life super-difficult by credibly repping a straight/flush).

Also the value of speculative hands goes down the toilet when the effective stacks are low.
 
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I wasn't at all being a jerk, or trying to sound elitist. Someone else piped up about buying in short too I think.

None of my posts are ever meant to disrespect anyone, or put them down. I just want to make sure you know that. If the post came off like that, it wasn't meant to. I was just sharing my opinion, and the way I like to do things.

Anyways, may the flop be with you.....:cool:
I didnt say you were lol, had a feeling you would think I took it the wrong way . but I was agreeing with you.! thanks for your input
That may be a leak. You generally have to vary your gameplay at least somewhat when the effective stacks get bigger, because you run into increasingly bad reverse implied odds with any hand that's not the near-nuts. So for example you frequently have to preflop 4-bet super-strong hands (QQ+) defensively, because letting your opponent chase you into the flop allows him the possibility of flopping a monster (or even worse, making your life super-difficult by credibly repping a straight/flush).

Also the value of speculative hands goes down the toilet when the effective stacks are low.


As for post like this^
thanks you!. i have been moving around from .01/.02 and .02/.04 with some success. I enter the tables with a medium stack, not the biggest and not the smallest, set a target and Ive hit it on most of them. Once I did that I moved table if it got a bit stale, up 5.48 in less than an hour which is more than I get at sngs in 2 hours if Im honest.
 
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I didnt say you were lol, had a feeling you would think I took it the wrong way . but I was agreeing with you.! thanks for your input



As for post like this^
thanks you!. i have been moving around from .01/.02 and .02/.04 with some success. I enter the tables with a medium stack, not the biggest and not the smallest, set a target and Ive hit it on most of them. Once I did that I moved table if it got a bit stale, up 5.48 in less than an hour which is more than I get at sngs in 2 hours if Im honest.
Mid-stack strategy is probably a decent way to move up as a beginner, but when you're playing for less than a full stack you're actually depriving yourself of some action, because you don't have the implied odds necessary to chase speculative hands or try creative maneuvers, so you don't have a lot of chances to use skill to make money.
 
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Mid-stack strategy is probably a decent way to move up as a beginner, but when you're playing for less than a full stack you're actually depriving yourself of some action, because you don't have the implied odds necessary to chase speculative hands or try creative maneuvers, so you don't have a lot of chances to use skill to make money.

the only reason I did the mid stack is because, at the bottom of ring games, you could try and bluff the fish, but they call anything, from top pair bottom pair to nothing. so they disabled the creative streak in me lol

generally you have the biggest stack buyin half way it seems, on pkr anyway.

but I agree its limiting
 
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You can't bully the other stacks anyway, you are playing vs the biggest stack at the table from the villains. It's not a tourney where eliminations are happening and blinds are increasing.

Also unless you're short-stacking at a table then cashing out makes no sense unless you feel as though you are at a table with better players or the stakes are high for you.
 
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the only reason I did the mid stack is because, at the bottom of ring games, you could try and bluff the fish, but they call anything, from top pair bottom pair to nothing. so they disabled the creative streak in me lol
You can still be creative in bluff-resistant games. ;) You just have to take bluffing out of your arsenal and instead bet for super-thin value to exploit the fact they'll call with anything (for instance in some spots vs some really stationy opponents you can play TPWK for stacks more or less safely).

Also, you can play a lot of speculative implied-odds hands like suited connectors or weak suited Aces when you have a big stack. You can't do it with a half-stack, because you're gonna have to play them multiple times to get a hit, so you need to be able to extract as much money as possible from them.
 
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You can't bully the other stacks anyway, you are playing vs the biggest stack at the table from the villains. It's not a tourney where eliminations are happening and blinds are increasing.

Also unless you're short-stacking at a table then cashing out makes no sense unless you feel as though you are at a table with better players or the stakes are high for you.

He was shortstacking.
 
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I have cashed out at live games after big win. My fav was sitting down at 2-5 NL table bought in for $250. First hand flopped a set tripled up grabbed chips and walked lol. One of the players that lost to me complained while i was leaving, I don't remember what he said. I went back and told him that I was there to make some money and not play for 4 or 8 hours, goal accomplished have a wonderful day! Myself and a couple others at the table got a little laugh and I went to buy my wife a little present so she wouldn't be mad when she found out I went to the casino.
 
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im conservitive so if i get up to double my sit down stack i leave if i do stay i tend to lose it all back it seems
Very true; I've read in a lot of places to leave on a double up and personal experience verifies the theory. If I don't leave after doubling-up I will tend to lose most or all of my profit.
 
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