MediaBLITZ
Legend
Silver Level
Big consideration is stack size.
If you don't have much (>10BB) then it is an almost auto-shove - if that 3 bet would end up being a third of your stack or more might as well do it all.
If you have a bunch then it would not be wise. About one of the best things that can happen is letting the fish off the hook (no more profit) all the way to getting called by aces (lose it all).
If you don't have much (>10BB) then it is an almost auto-shove - if that 3 bet would end up being a third of your stack or more might as well do it all.
If you have a bunch then it would not be wise. About one of the best things that can happen is letting the fish off the hook (no more profit) all the way to getting called by aces (lose it all).
pifan
PiFace
Silver Level
Gawd I hate this type of answer it is a waste of post space. Every play we make depends on the situation. Like MediaBLITZ responce is about as correct of a responce as you can give here, lots better than "depends".
To add another layer to mediaBLITZ answer, you also have to take into play, position. Consider those who have to play behind you. and think about what you will do based on their reaction to your play. If you do this before you make a play then it makes your play easier.
For instance if you have a loose player that raises allot after you limp into a pot you may want to maybe limp here to induce a raise then you may 3 bet him.
If you have a player that folds alot to raises, you may want to flat or limp here. that is what "Depends"
A person could answer depends to every situation I hate the answer "depends"
bezobrazny
Legend
Silver Level
Cowboys
What I can do is to share with all of you my magick about the pocket KK or cowboys. With that hand I am trying not to go all in before the flop only because of ace. So many situatiin I had in my poker history that I lost my hand against bad ace (suted in the most occasions, like it's metter). That's why I consider my cowboys the same way I consider fish-hooks (pocket JJ) before the flop with one bug difference, if my opponent(s) squezze me and push me I am easy on a trigger for all in but only if I have to. Decidion for going pre-flop all-in is even easier if you are in multi way hand. What I think is that there are more chances for players with the A in hand so those aces could be lost and your kings relatively safe.
What I can do is to share with all of you my magick about the pocket KK or cowboys. With that hand I am trying not to go all in before the flop only because of ace. So many situatiin I had in my poker history that I lost my hand against bad ace (suted in the most occasions, like it's metter). That's why I consider my cowboys the same way I consider fish-hooks (pocket JJ) before the flop with one bug difference, if my opponent(s) squezze me and push me I am easy on a trigger for all in but only if I have to. Decidion for going pre-flop all-in is even easier if you are in multi way hand. What I think is that there are more chances for players with the A in hand so those aces could be lost and your kings relatively safe.
Lucothefish
Visionary
Silver Level
Do not all in when you have 40-60bb, 3bet and let your opponent reraise all in so you can call. If someone else is already all in, KK is always a call.
MediaBLITZ
Legend
Silver Level
Thank you - be aware it is very, very RARE for me to ever give a complete answer. I like to leave plenty of room for others to add more layers to the topic. Just as bad as 2 or 3 word responses is 2 or 3,000 word responses leaving no room for anyone else to chime in. One of the valuable things about this forum (and others) is the ability for us to put down our thoughts in writing and either reinforcing our logic or,as many times with me, revealing the flaws in what I am thinking. Those posts you rarely see - lol.
Always feel free to add to my posts - I leave plenty of room for that. In fact when you see my posts, like in here, you should immediately think, "What did he leave out???" You can even disagree - if you must
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detourglr
Rock Star
Silver Level
"It depends" is the best answer..
What is you image at the table.. if your image is loose and then shove, if your image is tight then you will just end up picking up the blinds.
What is the speed of the table Preflop.. is most of the table tight then most likely you will just pick up the blinds.. if there is a lot of action and betting big and reraising then shove is the way..
what is your position and how many have limp in and how many have raise and called. if you are last to act and everyone limp... Yeah shove.. if you have one or two players that limp in before you then you have put a healthly bet in or shove...what then you have to consider is what is the players that have acted are they loose or tight..
in the game of poker it is a game about situations. so when you ask what do I do with KK and nothing else, there is no one answer to answer it all..
What is you image at the table.. if your image is loose and then shove, if your image is tight then you will just end up picking up the blinds.
What is the speed of the table Preflop.. is most of the table tight then most likely you will just pick up the blinds.. if there is a lot of action and betting big and reraising then shove is the way..
what is your position and how many have limp in and how many have raise and called. if you are last to act and everyone limp... Yeah shove.. if you have one or two players that limp in before you then you have put a healthly bet in or shove...what then you have to consider is what is the players that have acted are they loose or tight..
in the game of poker it is a game about situations. so when you ask what do I do with KK and nothing else, there is no one answer to answer it all..
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Bowman
Visionary
Silver Level
It's tough situation because there are a lot of players who will call and raise your 3x bet with A2 or A5 unsuited, lol. So can be dangerous.
A pair in the pocket cards will lose value if more people are in the pot.
Hope I have that right.
A pair in the pocket cards will lose value if more people are in the pot.
Hope I have that right.
pifan
PiFace
Silver Level
I agree with you here I just said depends by itself is a terrible responce elaborate on "depends" is my point!!
Do I need a new car? depends
Is this dish clean? Depends
Do we suck at poker? Depends etc
my point is depends is a sucky answer by itself
pifan
PiFace
Silver Level
And why would we give a free flop here? if an ace comes on the flop we can still get away from the hand if we feel we are beat, but we have left an open field behind us for limpers and blinds to call with substandard hands to hit 2 pair or trips I know it "Depends" on the situation. but most times I am raising with KK to end up either wining the blinds or in an isolation situation.
Rappyness
Rock Star
Silver Level
For me at least 4 or 5 times the pot because going all in doesn't work that good. Going all in might not get you a call so you just wasted your kings. On the hand, don't just call BB either because someone that has rags might call and hit. Like everyone is saying though it all depeds on the situation but for me dont go all in right away!
Lucothefish
Visionary
Silver Level
Yeah me too
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dragonflyamb
Enthusiast
Silver Level
I agree that it depends on a lot of factors: chip stack, table image, position and your read on the other players. If i'm in early position and short stacked or close to, i'll shove and be happy just to collect the blinds, hoping no one has AA behind to call. If i'm in late position with just limpers or small raisers, i'll likely also shove if i think my stack is enough to get most of them to fold. Or if i'm so short stacked that i can't waste the shot, i'll shove no matter position or the play of the other players.