When to fold a Nut Flush

I had lost with a Ace nut flush in a heads-up to a full house. No limit .05/.10 nine man table

My hand: Villian:



Dealer raised .20 three players called as did I. I usually try to play drawing hands cheap pre-flop.

The villian Raises .78 everyone folds and I call. I think this was mistake maybe I should have re-raised but he having two pairs I don't think he would have folded. At the time I thought slow-playing was the correct move. He checks to me on the turn I make a small bet he calls. On the river we each re-raise and I lose all of my stack. This was by the way the 3rd hand dealt to me on that table.

My question is how could have played this better including the best time to fold. This being the 3rd hand dealt to me I did not have any read on my opponent.

I'm a bit confused as to what you are talking about.. :/ You had ace high on flop, picked up nut flush draw on turn and on the river you try to bluff? Never mind. Very confused about the hand.

looks like you ran into a bit of a cooler here. usually a 4 card flush would hold up on this kind of board.

MisterLongFace said:

looks like you ran into a bit of a cooler here. usually a 4 card flush would hold up on this kind of board.

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If you look the 3 is a diamond as well. He just used a different color prolly because he didnt even think to find another red 3 lol

F4rtknock3r said:

I had lost with a Ace nut flush in a heads-up to a full house. No limit .05/.10 nine man table

My hand: Villian:



Dealer raised .20 three players called as did I. I usually try to play drawing hands cheap pre-flop.

The villian Raises .78 everyone folds and I call. I think this was mistake maybe I should have re-raised but he having two pairs I don't think he would have folded. At the time I thought slow-playing was the correct move. He checks to me on the turn I make a small bet he calls. On the river we each re-raise and I lose all of my stack. This was by the way the 3rd hand dealt to me on that table.

My question is how could have played this better including the best time to fold. This being the 3rd hand dealt to me I did not have any read on my opponent.

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FYP

F4rtknock3r said:

My question is how could have played this better including the best time to fold. This being the 3rd hand dealt to me I did not have any read on my opponent.

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Depends on exactly what position you were in... if the button minraised and then three players called including you, were you one of the blinds or did you limp before the button raised?

In either case, you're fine to just open fold this hand preflop, unless there's already been a couple of limpers and you're in late position so you're getting better odds. Otherwise you've just got a weak ace out of position and it'll cost you more money than it'll win you in the long run.

As played once you hit your flush you're stacking this every single time, every single day of the week at this level. Two pair, straight, trips and lower flushes will all pay you off. In fact the answer to the question in your subject line (when to fold a nut flush) is "pretty much never" when you're playing at these low stakes. The range of hands that beat you will almost always be only a small percentage of the hands that will be willing to pay you off.

Cut-off was my position in this hand. I usually play a hand like this when in late position and if I can limp in.

Just a prime example of always being weary whats on the board... pair on the board is always risky to any flush out there.

Betting big on the flop re-raising could always help but at the sametime you would've run the risk of being pot committed and losing everything and not letting go of the hand

4BeLikeWater4 said:

I'm a bit confused as to what you are talking about.. :/ You had ace high on flop, picked up nut flush draw on turn and on the river you try to bluff? Never mind. Very confused about the hand.

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Confused because you didn't read it right, he had the nut FD on the flop, and he hit it on the turn.:cheers:

Blobweird123 said:

If you look the 3 is a diamond as well. He just used a different color prolly because he didnt even think to find another red 3 lol

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ok, yes, thank you, i misread the hand because of the colors. i always play 4 color decks and so dont even look at suits anymore because of that.

this hand was a bit of a cooler, don't think i would ever be folding here to be honest. omaha i fold in a heartbeat, but not in holdem.

i think you played it correctly. since you were in late position, the call pre-flop was correct. tbh, not sure if he made the correct move by calling on the flop. i would have assumed he had a low straight draw by the way he slow played it.

nkrijeka said:

i think you played it correctly. since you were in late position, the call pre-flop was correct. tbh, not sure if he made the correct move by calling on the flop. i would have assumed he had a low straight draw by the way he slow played it.

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The villain raised on the flop, the hero called the flop.

Don't think it really matters. You both chased to the turn, you both hit your "honey' hand on the turn, now at this point no matter what kind of betting takes place I gaurentee you are both in it till the end. I know I would be!

Sometimes the only way to win a battle, is to not give, battle. When the guy raises 78¢ you have a choice to make. He hasn't, or he doesn't. If you think he hasn't you have to fold. If he doesn't, reraise or call.

This is a cooler hand.. No matter what you are losing money.. Now to minimize the lost is to call till the end reckonize he could have a full house.. But also he could have only trips so just calling you lose potential money that you could have earn..

Myself i think i would have called to the end.. Unless this player is wild and loose then I might re-raise all in on the turn..

Like the above poster said. Its a cooler hand so no matter what you do you will lose money. I don't think you re-raising would've made a difference because he has pair of 8s and the board has low cards. Then once the turn comes you are screwed. This would be a hell of a laid down if you did but I don't think I could've either... Man, that kind of situation just sucks because you cannot do anything about it! It would've been a different story if the turn wasn't an 8 then perhaps you could've raised and then he would think twice of calling.

aa88wildbill said:

Sometimes the only way to win a battle, is to not give, battle. When the guy raises 78¢ you have a choice to make. He hasn't, or he doesn't. If you think he hasn't you have to fold. If he doesn't, reraise or call.

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That's pretty black and white. You wouldn't want to, say, take pot odds into consideration?

You have reverse implied odds on the flop since there are possible full houses out there. That being said, you're probably good against his range so it's all good.

I would have been confused when they called my raise after checking it on the turn. But would have shipped it also......

OzExorcist said:

That's pretty black and white. You wouldn't want to, say, take pot odds into consideration?

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Yes you could say take the pot odds into consideration, but I play more by the feel, and or read of the situation. Not so much by the math.

aa88wildbill said:

Yes you could say take the pot odds into consideration, but I play more by the feel, and or read of the situation. Not so much by the math.

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Cool. You understand there are some situations where the math makes it a black and white no-brainer call though right, even if you're convinced your opponent has the better hand at the time?

Tough 1 to get away from but with pair on board FH becomes concern...

F4rtknock3r said:

I had lost with a Ace nut flush in a heads-up to a full house. No limit .05/.10 nine man table

My hand: Villian:



Dealer raised .20 three players called as did I. I usually try to play drawing hands cheap pre-flop.

The villian Raises .78 everyone folds and I call. I think this was mistake maybe I should have re-raised but he having two pairs I don't think he would have folded. At the time I thought slow-playing was the correct move. He checks to me on the turn I make a small bet he calls. On the river we each re-raise and I lose all of my stack. This was by the way the 3rd hand dealt to me on that table.

My question is how could have played this better including the best time to fold. This being the 3rd hand dealt to me I did not have any read on my opponent.

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I'm too confused in your game because I'm new in this game & also in this community.. Can you elaborate me more about this?? because CONFUSED!!!!!

Incidentally, by definition an A high flush on a paired board is not a 'nut' flush.

Yup - with a paired board you don't have a shot at the nuts anymore.

Bottom line - holding any flush on a paired board - proceed cautiously, try to minimize damage, and rarely, if ever fold. Really search those memory banks on your opponents play so far and try to put the puzzle together. Is your flush obvious to him? If so, why is he still hanging around? Would he slow play a FH (hope so)? Or is he coming after you? Lot's of things to chart out to make a good decision.

Maybe two days ago I would say never fold - but I did against a guy when it became blatantly obvious he probably hit a boat on the turn that paired the board - and he showed and he hit it.

But a lot of factors went into that - board texture, knowing my opponent's betting patterns and how he reacted to the turn card. Basically anything that would indicate a full house existed so I bailed.