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I'm not quite sure what this means, if it's good or bad, or even important.
 

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It means you call wayyyyy to much.
 
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Playing way too many starting hand, I'd guess. And being a calling station. You'd have to be doing both to be that high in the long term.
 
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If it were a large enough sample it would mean that you go to showdown way too often. You're at 99% right now....even if you were at like 70% i'd still say you were a bit too high.

You probably play too many starting hands, or you don't know how to fold a hand when you're beat. I'd be interested to see what you're W$WSD% is. I'm guessing its at like 30% or so, which is horrible.
 
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Yeah, basically you're showing down too often, you're probably calling too much/not betting enough (over a large sample, of course).
 
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^hahahaha I was kind of wondering the same thing.
 
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Your WTSD (Went to Showdown) and W$SD (Won $ at Showdown) are more important than that graph.

But if your WTSD is higher than 99% of the other players (I'm not even sure what that translates to, but it looks scary - 38%+? higher? yikes), there's definitely something bizarre about your postflop play as others have pointed out - cj above I think has it pretty much nailed, not just possibly calling down too much (which is very likely), but you may also be inviting people to call you by making bets that are too small when you're ahead (losing value).

Kyle, I don't think this is related to starting hands, he could have a 10 VPIP and still go to showdown more often than 99% of players?
 
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Yeah, basically you're showing down too often, you're probably calling too much/not betting enough (over a large sample, of course).
I agree. You also need to tighten up your hand selection if you miss the flop wouldn't hurt to check and not bet into the villain if he's just check calling you down. Now you don't know if you're ahead or not. Probably why your bets aren't that big and getting called down to the river IMO.
 
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The biggest mistake is the same for beginners AND pros. Playing too many hands, and for good reason - people like to play. Folding pre-flop means just sitting there watching hand after hand. Even the pros get itchy and play hands they shouldn't (they play them better than I do , but still ...)
 
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I agree. You also need to tighten up your hand selection if you miss the flop wouldn't hurt to check and not bet into the villain if he's just check calling you down. Now you don't know if you're ahead or not. Probably why your bets aren't that big and getting called down to the river IMO.

^ how do we know/assume that OP is betting small & having bets called to the river? I thought the graph represented showdown frequency (ie. couldn't OP be the one who's calling down?)
 
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Assume for a moment AF (atlanta falcons) only starts with the 2 or 3 most premium hands, and hits like gravity pulling my man boobs toward my belt line......

W$WSD is necessary here. But like others I wonder what hand caused you to not be 100% ?????
 
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It means that we need to play a lot more. What time do you usually play?
 
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Means that you are playing way too many hands all the way through, get tighter and stop trying to draw out
 
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Means ur a very lose and someone everybody wants to plaly against.
 
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I've scanned the thread but I dunno if a proper explanation has been given.

Going to showdown means you went to the river and bet/called and you have to show your hand.
You go to showdown more often than 99% of the players at your limit.

Why is this bad. Well it means people can get full value out of you. They can bet bet bet and know you'll call. You're a calling station. I dunno how many hands you play pre-flop, your VPIP, but It's likely to be high, calling stations like to call pre-flop too.

Advice. Stop calling. Every time you have a decision to make, try thinking whether raising or folding are better options, they often are. Think about why you are making an action. That's the key to better poker.

I think it's accepted that 50% WTSD (Went to showdown) is optimum or at least a gd target. If you have Pokertracker or HEM then have a look to see what yours is, it should be sky high.

Good luck.
 
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50% WTSD is sky high. Think high 20's to mid 30's as being more standard.
 
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50% WTSD is sky high. Think high 20's to mid 30's as being more standard.

Yeah not really sure where that stat "should" be at PLO but 50% sounds really high.

As to the OP 99% is too high no matter what for any decent sample size but if he were exceedingly tight preflop, seeing a high percentage of SDs in a 2nl cap plo game wouldn't be too horrible.

Somehow I doubt the OP is only playing AAxx double suited hands though.
 
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^ how do we know/assume that OP is betting small & having bets called to the river? I thought the graph represented showdown frequency (ie. couldn't OP be the one who's calling down?)
He could very well be calling or betting out and getting called down. Either way he's going to showdown more often than the rest of the population as the graph suggests. Which would mean if he is betting out its not enough to make one fold or you don't know where you stand when you're in the hand if your calling it down. Which would mean you have to tighten up your hand selection.
 
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