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koadyawn

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I have this situation come up plenty of times and have took many lines but not sure what exactly is best...

Dont have any hand histories but pretty explanatory.

The situation:

Two players in the pot effective stack sizes are 100bb+ deep and we call a raise in position with AXs for implied odds. The board comes 4-2-T with 2 of our suites and the raiser cbets for 3/4 the pot.

  1. Do we float his cbet waiting to lead out if he checks? or check behind the turn for a free river?
  2. Raise him on the flop?
  3. Just call check hoping to catch?
  4. Call his cbet and reraise on the turn?
  5. Fold?

Im sure this is a pretty common situation for everyone so was wandering what is the best line to take here and against what type of opponent are we going to switch it up against?
 
Exit141RTe1

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I would think 3. & 5 are your options. I myself like the fold to avoid chasing. I seems to have on luck at all when it comes to catching a flush.
 
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Uhhh, I don't think this is ever a fold considering stack sizes and size of bet. Folding is flat out terrible.

I'm personally raising this draw most of time, especially if X is above 10. (AJ, AQ etc.)
 
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Yeah almost never folding here, calling and raising depending on opponent/flop
 
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Not sure how big the pot was, so I'm not sure how much of your stack a call represents when you say 3/4 of the pot.

I'm assuming its a small pot, so I'm going to go with 1a)--float and semi-bluff the turn if you don't catch. I'd consider the bet if he checks, but also a raise if he takes another stab. It will likely sell as though you slow played something big.
 
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Depending upon my player reads here,.. .I'm usually raising here on the flop cuz if my 3rd flush card hits on the turn I'm going to have a hell of a time getting paid off (the 3rd suited card is going to halt the action in a big way). By raising on the flop, I'm also giving myself good potential for seeing a free card if he calls my raise as chances are he will check to me on the turn. I can re-assess at this point.
Re-raise on the turn??... umm... not for me thanks.
What type of player are we assuming our opponent to be here?
If 'X' is an over card to the board, I'm going to try to get it allin here on the flop if I can.
 
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I personally wouldn't be calling that to begin with. You want to be aggressive, not passive. And Ax suited? What implied odds are you going for? It's not like a pocket pair looking to flop a set. Just fold preflop, and then the whole thing's easier.

Playing these types of hands against a raiser is going to get you into trouble, because you'll end up right in the scenario you describe often. Even if an ace hits, you can't be happy with that. If the original raiser has an ace, it's likely better than yours, and if he doesn't have one, how much do you really think you'll get off of him with an ace staring him in the face? Do yourself a favor, and cut these hands out of your preflop cold-calling range.
 
koadyawn

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Thanks for all the replies. Im usually calling with ATs+ and AXs for multi-way, as for the implied odds, I am only calling with position. If I hit a 12+ outs then I am getting it in, what I am asking is if we just get the 9 outs to the nut flush and how we should play it. Not really how we would play if an ace hit.
 
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In my idea, i would hasitate between raise and fold. Call would give much more infos on your hand, raise won't give the opponent much infos as he could think you catch a pair or two. folding would probably be my favorite answer as don't like to chase often.
Mostly depends on your own style of play.
 
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