What is the Short Stack Strategy? (SSS)

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What is the Short Stack Strategy? (SSS)
The Short Stack Strategy is when you come into a game buying for the smallest amount allowed. The short stack strategy usually only works with a table of at least 7 players. Anything more would be best to find another table. It is also to not play with more SS players at the same table.
This a great strategy to make a good bankroll off from.

Short Stack Strategy = Minimum buy in for that table.

So the goal of this strategy is to play great hands and double up and leave.
Or as I like to call it "Hit and Dip" Or "Chips and Dip".
Proper bankroll management is highly recommended for this style of play. Once your buy in is higher then the recommended buy in for that table do the "chips and dip" and wander to another table.
 
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Good advise, know when to hold em, and know when to run.
 
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hmm, im going to try this. I usually play 6 max but will go to full ring. Should i just shove w premium hands before the flop?
 
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Step one: Please don't shortstack / hit and run. It makes baby jesus cry.
Step two: Continue not shortstacking and hit-running
Step three: Profit, in both monetary and karmic terms

If you do insist on doing this (and again, please don't insist on it, because as mentioned above it makes baby jesus cry) make sure you read up on the proper strategy because it's a lot harder to do profitably than OP suggests.
 
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In my opinion, the only time short stacking should ever be used is if your account balance is limiting your buy-in abilities and you have no intentions or possibilities of depositing or earning more money on the poker room. And often the reason people end up short stacked is because they've already lost the majority of their chips or won them from a freeroll or other offer. If you lost nearly all the chips from an initial deposit, then playing short stacked is really nothing more than grabbing for straws and praying you'll be able to hit a good streak and break even (and hopefully you'll have learned from your prior losses where you went wrong). It's hard to play good strategy when you're tilting from huge losses that caused that short stack in the first place. If you won them from a freeroll, just continue to freeroll for more chips and build a decent bankroll where you can stand your ground in the lowest limit games. I know...I know...who has time for patience when there's money to be won...

A lot of people win a couple bucks in the freerolls and their quick to go blow it in ring games, when I think the reality is that you're probably better off taking those winnings to a sit and go or some other cheap/affordable tourney.

I think the OP is misrepresenting the true difficulty that short stacking is - and at the very root of it, using the short stack strategy as a full time tactic for your poker playing is simply a recipe for failure. I don't think it's so much of a strategy as it is a last ditch effort or hail mary that puts the luck that already exists in poker at far worse odds against you.

Attempting to be profitable by playing short stacked is extremely difficult. The OP says you simply need to wait til you have great hands to bet with, but there's no guarantee when those hands will pop up and often you can end up folding your way all the way to broke just waiting for those miracle pocket cards. And let's say you do hit miracle pocket cards and the opposition starts putting the pressure on with higher bets. Unless the following flop, river, and turn can seal the deal for you - well, even a pair of aces can be just a pair.

And then of course, there are a lot of hands that leave you on the fence when you're short stacked and the deciding factor of whether to stay in or fold is entirely based upon what the opposition does. And what will you do when they raise or open call - you're going to fold and likely have wasted a portion of your all pressure stack. Remember, premium hands preflop can quickly turn sour when the flop turns less than desirable pocket cards into monster hands.

It sucks bad enough losing pocket aces to a flush draw on the flop, -imagine how it feels when you're on your last few chips. Playing short stacked is a strategy for losing, bank those chips for a later time when you have more built up, or try an affordable sit and go where everyone starts on a balanced table.

And perhaps the worse part of your strategy is that you want people to double up and leave. And do what? Move to another table short stacked and with odds against you. If you building a bankroll at a table and things are going positive for you, why not stay at the table and keep things flowing in that direction. Moving to another table isn't going to change your chip balance any and you'll have no idea what to expect from the new players at another table.

Lastly, it is true that playing at a table with more players is going to allow a player to see more hands without paying the blinds and also potentially adding more money to the pot, but more players also means more hands likely to beat yours and more people willing to put the pressure on with raises and calls - even sometimes just to keep you honest. If you happen to be playing against someone who has a very high chip advantage in relationship to yours, it's very difficult to be successful because relatively speaking they have a very low price to pay to make sure you aren't pulling a bluff and it can be hard to stay afloat if you're constantly getting raised and called. Your poker instincts would say that if you're playing smart, that you'll beat them when they attempt to call your "bluff"; however, often these players are doing so with half way decent hands themselves. Rarely will someone call your "bluff" with a 2-7os, so you can expect that if they raise or call you and put the pressure on, they have something. So once again, this puts you in a position where you're either all-in (or considerably so) or folding and wasting valuable cards and chips. You might come out ahead a few times, but eventually you'll be sitting on the fence with a hand and decide to follow through with it, sure that they're just trying to keep you honest, and then they'll force you all in and your only option is to do the same - and then they'll have you hook line and sinker.

So, yeah, that's what I think of short stacking.
 
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And there's one more problem with short stacking, but I couldn't edit the post, and that is this. If you have a recommended or higher than necessary chip amount, you have all the tools available to you.

In the short stacking strategy, you're really doing nothing more than playing a very tight game, the same type of game that probably could have prevented players from become short stacked in the first place. So the first problem is that often in order for short stacked players to be successful, they first have to break the bad habits that got them there in the first place, else their success is going to hindered.

Being successful in poker requires a good balance between tight play, aggressive play, and tactical, educated bluffing, so by being short stacked, we're usually forced to completely give up our bluffing tools and play tight, but aggressive. The problem here is that, the whole table can see you're short stacked and so they know exactly what type of strategy you're going to have to use.

So unless you get at a table with a bunch of idiots, people are going to have a pretty good idea of how they should go about playing you, and they also know that while you might not be in the best position to bluff, they are and they have all their tools at their disposal.
 
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SSS

Stupid Sick Shit
Silly Suckout Shitheads
Shameful, Shameful, Shameful
Stop Sending Stupid-information-in-your-posts
So Stupid, Seriously



That being said, I pound the SS whenever they sit near me

People who also like to hit-and-run normally do because they rely on getting lucky. Why would you not want to have a huge stack at the table unless you are one of the worse players? So H-N-R play will get you targeted at every subsequent table by a decent player. On the other hand, if you play regularly, might as well HNR cause it gives an observant player info.
 
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If you're really intent on explaining a short stack strategy to players, why not do so from a tournament perspective. Getting short stacked in a tournament can and does happen and it has nothing to do with initially starting as the underdog. Although, I highly doubt it would be anything new than what is already widely available for short stacked tactics.
 
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If you're really intent on explaining a short stack strategy to players, why not do so from a tournament perspective. Getting short stacked in a tournament can and does happen and it has nothing to do with initially starting as the underdog. Although, I highly doubt it would be anything new than what is already widely available for short stacked tactics.
my position is usally with my tray in upright position and my head between my knees and lots of praying yes I pray a lot when SS in tourneys or was that when on the SS Titanic...I get both of those mixed up
 
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ughhh i wish i would of read everyones comments before losing 6 bucks QUICKLY. back to real poker
 
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My shortstack strategy is bet light... get as many in the hand as possible... get the most implied odds as possible... Get a lil streak and your not so shortstacked anymore
Choose your hands wisely... Connected suiters help well in this scenerio... u want the most outs as poss so all those flush/straight draws ... u want em :)

A lot of critics out there may curse this but it works for me in the casino's on 1/2 tables :) thats if i'm close to losing my daily limit... I believe it gives me a second life if i get lucky
 
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If you play live and find yourself on a SS, then its IMP totally legit to try to use a SS strat to your advantage. I hate the players who take up 10+ tables online playing the SS:

If a player is new and plays one table short cause he is nervous and inexperienced and afraid of losing more, I have no problem with that either.

Thanks god most sites have a min of 40BB these days. But still, its like the SS multi tablers are the bottom feeders of online poker.
 
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I agree with you. I do the same thing. I try to get in with hands that have good draw possibilities. Ofcourse , it is nice to get big pairs to help push, but I like the suited connectors too.
 
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If you can find me when i'm playing SS you can try to take my cash, just like the guy i took 1.40 from, in 5NL. I was 1.00 short of having a full buy-in when i left.
I don't shove all-in like the other SS players.
Full buy-in and i lose it, short buy-in and i get into the green???
 
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playing shortstacked and having a strategy other than shoving and reraising is retarded
 
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