What is the perfect play in this situation?

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Hello,

I just busted few times in live events from a situation similar with this one that was happening yesterday into a daily mtt that i used to play.
So, i'm in blind 500/1000/100 blinds and i have 47k chips, the chipleader from the table...I am in HJ with a pair ( it should be 77, 88, 99, TT - doesn't matter so much ), the BTN plays good in position ( his stack 25k chips ), in SB is one really aggro player ( he have 31k chips ), and in BB is a tight player ( have 8k chips ). From middle someone push with 9750 chipstack, it's a aggro-fish.

What should i do in this situation - take a review about the other players after me on the table...

1. Call/fold ( if someone reraise me);
2. Reraise to 13-19k to improve my equity to call;
3. All-in!!!
4. FOLD buddy! I'm not in BB to simply call.
 
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from what I understand, the aggro of sb made a raise to 10bb, if he is an aggressive fish, it will pay raise your post flop, you would have to play for value post flop to improve your hand or have top pair, with the fish I find most difficult to bluff
 
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Hello,

I just busted few times in live events from a situation similar with this one that was happening yesterday into a daily mtt that i used to play.
So, i'm in blind 500/1000/100 blinds and i have 47k chips, the chipleader from the table...I am in HJ with a pair ( it should be 77, 88, 99, TT - doesn't matter so much ), the BTN plays good in position ( his stack 25k chips ), in SB is one really aggro player ( he have 31k chips ), and in BB is a tight player ( have 8k chips ). From middle someone push with 9750 chipstack, it's a aggro-fish.

What should i do in this situation - take a review about the other players after me on the table...

1. Call/fold ( if someone reraise me);
2. Reraise to 13-19k to improve my equity to call;
3. All-in!!!
4. FOLD buddy! I'm not in BB to simply call.

I would prefer reraise/fold 40/60%
1) its no point to call cause after u call 9750 it will be 21900 chips in bank, sb and bb will have almost 3 to 1 profit from pot and its no needed for us them call.
2) also all-in is bad too, our hand is middle-power, for example any 2 cards over 7 have 50% chance to win.
So its easy re-raise when button, sb and bb tight players.
 
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So, my general mistake is to push do not allow anyone callin with AJ AQ or even AK...a reg will fold with 30bb when someone shove a small allin i guess. But the problem is that i hit the wall! this time i hit into TT and other time i had TT and hit into KK....i discussed today with a cash player and he said that the perfect play is about the image of the shortstacker...if he is a aggro-fish call...and if someone reraise i must look at exacly that player about his image ( in live events is easier , online must have programs that are used).
 
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how many players there?
how many players to the money?

what is the structure of the pay?
what is the speed of the game, blinds level?

This move is not depending on your hand and Chip value, it mostly depends on the game, and the money value.
 
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I would generally Re-raise or fold. How often depends on the questions listed by XXPXXP. I prefer not to go all in as I think if they call my raise, they'll call my all in and then I am looking at a coin flip scenario for a good portion of my chips. In this situation I think I would fold as I will be out of position against a solid player.
 
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Just fold that, you're most likely flipping or crushed.

Save your chips for a better spot and remember to try to simplify your decisions. Of course it does depend on how deep you are in the tournament and your relative stack to the average.
 
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I always like to grind , but in this situation I think fold maybe was the move, the question of fold is difficult for me for when I decide not to go back
 
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I agree that if you should look at the re-raisers image but not only that, you have to think about what your table image is to the other players as well, what are your tendencies that they other players should/could have picked up on you. For instance, if you have a tight image and you are re-raising, that will make most players fold AJ, AQ, KQ, ect., if you have a aggressive image then they will probably guess correctly that you have a medium strength hand, especially if you just call or even with the re-raise. The point is that players often overlook the fact that they not only need to be cognizant of everyone else's table image, but of their own image. Even though these situations are similar, they are all going to have subtle differences that in the long run can be major game changers.
 
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I agree that if you should look at the re-raisers image but not only that, you have to think about what your table image is to the other players as well, what are your tendencies that they other players should/could have picked up on you. For instance, if you have a tight image and you are re-raising, that will make most players fold AJ, AQ, KQ, ect., if you have a aggressive image then they will probably guess correctly that you have a medium strength hand, especially if you just call or even with the re-raise. The point is that players often overlook the fact that they not only need to be cognizant of everyone else's table image, but of their own image. Even though these situations are similar, they are all going to have subtle differences that in the long run can be major game changers.

I'd think a flat in that spot would actually look strong.
 
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So you're advocating calling in this spot.

What's your plan if one of the players remaining shoves?

I didn't "advocate calling in this spot"

Try reading my post again & it's relevance of what I bolded/underlined.
 
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I didn't "advocate calling in this spot"

Try reading my post again & it's relevance of what I bolded/underlined.

Well, that's the pot calling the kettle black.

The dude's post you quoted was talking about table image.

So what is your take on the actual question ITT?
 
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I actually like to shove in this spot for protection mostly. I also think it is unlikely that the fish has an overpair, so you could be racing or, even better, an 80% favorite. If you lose the all-in, you will still be left with 37k
 
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not shure if the short stack is my problem....im hitting in something bigger that in most of times arent so difficult decisions....
 
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