What I did wrong all in with 10Q suited?

Nikku_3210(BB) $26755 - VP:8 PFR:8 AF: W: STL: 3B:0| CB: N:820 hands:12
feelzstar(UTG) $16652 - VP:8 PFR:0 AF:Inf. W:100|0 STL:0| 3B:0| CB: N:-3540 Hands:12
jp0957(MP) $34796 - VP:25 PFR:8 AF: W:0| STL:0| 3B:0| CB: N:-2200 Hands:12
Me(MP) $6349 - VP:23 PFR:2 AF:Inf. W:18|50 STL:0|71 3B:2|50 CB:|100 N:-10000 Hands:110
kikonet10(MP) $27177 - VP:42 PFR:33 AF:0 W:75|67 STL:100| 3B:20|0 CB:0| N:2469 Hands:12
propartner(LP) $18392 - VP:17 PFR:8 AF: W:0| STL:|100 3B:14| CB: N:-7040 Hands:12
BethalLizzle(CO) $18395 - VP:8 PFR:8 AF: W: STL:0|100 3B:0| CB: N:-900 Hands:12
D$llor_CZ(BTN) $21840 - VP:8 PFR:8 AF: W:100|100 STL:0| 3B:17| CB: N:9140 Hands:12
Grindation(SB) $29008 - VP:17 PFR:8 AF:Inf. W:0| STL:0| 3B:20|0 CB: N:7920 Hands:12


Pre Flop: Me(MP) with [Qd,Td]
feelzstar(UTG) folds, jp0957(MP) folds, Me(MP) raises 6269, kikonet10(MP) raises 11738, propartner(LP) folds, BethalLizzle(CO) folds, D$llor_CZ(BTN) folds, Grindation(SB) folds, Nikku_3210(BB) folds


Flop: (7c,4s,3s)



Turn: (8d)



River: 9d (2 players)



Final:
Returns 5469 to kikonet10(MP)
Me(MP) shows [Qd,Td]
kikonet10(MP) shows [As,Qc]
kikonet10(MP) wins 14458

What was the size of blinds when you shoved? I can't see it in HH and it kinda makes difference should this hand be a fold or not...

the blinds was 1000/500

At this stack size almost all your plays are hail marys, but I'd actually say you should have just shoved preflop since you're only holding 6BB. QTs is a great hand to be shoving with when your stack is that low. A decent rule of thumb is that if you're about to put 20-25% of your stack in the pot preflop, just shove instead.

When you bet all of your stack but 80 chips here, especially at 1000/500, that 'safety net' actually isn't helping you at all. It just telegraphs lack of confidence in your hand. If your opponents are halfway decent and see that almost-all-in they're going to immediately take all the premium hands out of your range, which means they'll call you with a wider range of hands. The main things is that when you shove, nobody can bluff you off of the hand, and you have a better chance that they will fold, even if it is small.

TheDuke177 said:

I'd actually say you should have just shoved preflop since you're only holding 6BB... ... just shove instead.

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He did shove, that's why he's still in the hand at the end after kikonet10's reraise

Acording to ICM clculator you should push 20% of your hands with bit more than 6bb left so if we wanna trust it it is a good shove, here is the range on pokerstove, the outcome is irrelevant, him having AQo is questionable re raise allin thou...

From where the HH is, have you type it yourself, the position names are strange btw...

Even you have 6BB left, there are still 6 players left to act. Someone will wake up if he has a decent hand. Your hand is even marginal.

Samango said:

He did shove, that's why he's still in the hand at the end after kikonet10's reraise

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Ah ok, I must have misinterpreted the hand data, I thought it said his stack was $6349 and he raised to $6269

I wouldn't shove all in pre flop unless it's heads up. Even if you have less than 6 BB left. You shove and get a shitty flop then you are done for. You put in 1-2BB you then get a few more chances to double up. Just me personally. Nothing wrong with the idea of it.

TheDuke177 said:

Ah ok, I must have misinterpreted the hand data, I thought it said his stack was $6349 and he raised to $6269

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yeah, I thought so.
If the blinds are 500/1000 I assume the 80 is ante which he still had when the hand started.

jangalang37 said:

I wouldn't shove all in pre flop unless it's heads up. Even if you have less than 6 BB left. You shove and get a shitty flop then you are done for. You put in 1-2BB you then get a few more chances to double up. Just me personally. Nothing wrong with the idea of it.

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Whenever I see someone doing this I will instantly raise to put them all-in in the hand.

Not only does that show your hand weakness, but your lack of skill as a player too.

With 6 behind you still to act and sitting on ~6BB, open shoving with QTs IMO is a judgment call. Really it depends on your reads of the table, precisely the folks after you.

FYI, the stats you provided, over 12 hands, are meaningless.

I could go either way on this one, shoving pre- or mucking.. Comes down to a flip and whether you're wanting to wait for a better spot. In most situations, I would probably muck this in MP. IP, however, it's an excellent open shove hand.

As already stated, you can't be results-oriented. Make your decisions (hopefully smart) and let the cards fall where they may.

erm 6BBS, MP, this is one of them that i either shove or try and wait for a better spot, i think for me this would generally depend on the circumstances, is this a final table, are you on the bubble things like that.. if you've got 6nits to act behind you a shove is probably correct as you're usually not going to get called unless they've got premiums and even then you have fairly decent equity, just got unlucky to get it in against AQ where you are pretty much dominated..

I could go either way on this one. You are going to be in the BB in two more hands, so the clock is ticking and you are going to need to shove soon anyway. As thatgreekdude says, part of the equation is the tournament dynamics. If you are already in the money, shoving is a better idea than if you are on the bubble.

Keep in mind that Q 10s plays better in a multi-way pot than it does a pre-flop shove.

Overall, your play in this case is defensible, it just didn't work out.

You need to tighten your range from that position.