What did I do wrong here?

Dealer: Hand #20007019173
Dealer: Xosrow has 15 seconds left to act
Dealer: HubbyBear has 15 seconds left to act
Dealer: Xosrow has 15 seconds left to act
System: The $5K Super Turbo Knockout ($14+$1 PL Omaha Hi) will be starting in 5 minutes.
Dealer: NoMoneyN0oParty has 15 seconds left to act
Dealer: NoMoneyN0oParty wins the pot ($0.07)
Dealer: Hand #20007047687
Dealer: atlantafalcons0 has 5 seconds left to act
Dealer: atlantafalcons0 posts the big blind of $0.02
Dealer: You have been dealt [Kc Kh 6d 8c]
Dealer: Xosrow raises to $0.07
Dealer: kat97 folds
Dealer: daniel92392 calls $0.07
Dealer: HubbyBear folds
Dealer: NoMoneyN0oParty calls $0.06
Dealer: atlantafalcons0 raises to $0.35
Dealer: Xosrow has 15 seconds left to act
Dealer: Xosrow calls $0.28
Dealer: daniel92392 has 15 seconds left to act
Dealer: daniel92392 folds
Dealer: NoMoneyN0oParty calls $0.28
Dealer: The flop is [3s 4s 6c]
Dealer: NoMoneyN0oParty checks
Dealer: atlantafalcons0 bets $1.12
Dealer: Xosrow has 15 seconds left to act
Dealer: Xosrow folds
Dealer: NoMoneyN0oParty raises to $1.67, and is all in
Dealer: atlantafalcons0 calls $0.55
Dealer: NoMoneyN0oParty shows [Qc 7c 3d 9d]
Dealer: atlantafalcons0 shows [Kc Kh 6d 8c]
Dealer: The turn is [3h]
Dealer: The river is [3c]
Dealer: NoMoneyN0oParty shows four of a kind, Threes
Dealer: atlantafalcons0 shows a full house, Threes full of Kings
Dealer: NoMoneyN0oParty wins the pot ($4.17) with four of a kind, Threes

what makes you think you played it wrong? because you didnt win the pot? your all in and he needs runner runner to beat you, id say thats playing it very well

Preflop is terrible and post flop is horrible. Like you are rarely ahead and never get called by worse. I dont like it

marginal said:

Preflop is terrible and post flop is horrible. Like you are rarely ahead and never get called by worse. I dont like it

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I did get called by worse.

I was ahead.

Nevermind about post flop, what's wrong with my flop play?

You do realize your hand is not strong at all? KKxx is not as strong on omaha and you cannot be c beting those hands with this flop.

And even on the flop you only have 51% equity against this particular hand and this is literally the best case senario. You are crushed by a FD and pair, you are crushed by AA, you are crushed by a straight, you are crushed by a set, you are crushed by 2 pair.

atlantafalcons0 said:

I did get called by worse.

I was ahead.

Nevermind about post flop, what's wrong with my flop play?

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Fold pre-flop. That is not a good Omaha hand.

Also, do some forum searches on "results-oriented thinking."

Lol we can not ever fold this preflop, that is insane. However, we should not be 3 betting it.

marginal said:

Lol we can not ever fold this preflop, that is dumb and insane. However, we should not be 3 betting it.

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*defers to someone who knows Omaha better than me*

marginal said:

You do realize your hand is not strong at all? KKxx is not as strong on omaha and you cannot be c beting those hands with this flop.

And even on the flop you only have 51% equity against this particular hand and this is literally the best case senario. You are crushed by a FD and pair, you are crushed by AA, you are crushed by a straight, you are crushed by a set, you are crushed by 2 pair.

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Okay, I get the first part --- but I knew he didn't have those things that crush me.

So what your saying is just call preflop and check on the flop with that?

atlantafalcons0 said:

Okay, I get the first part --- but I knew he didn't have those things that crush me.

So what your saying is just call preflop and check on the flop with that?

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How would you know? he had no opportunity to prove otherwise.

BTW, if you know your opponent is only 3 betting an overpair it is actually profitable to stick it in on any flop as long as its low cards and you have atleast bottom pair. Just a thought unrelated to to this thread.

marginal said:

How would you know? he had no opportunity to prove otherwise.

BTW, if you know your opponent is always 3 betting an overpair it is actually profitable to stick it in on any flop as long as its low cards and you have atleast bottom pair. Just a thought unrelated to to this thread.

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Okay -----

You're SAYING I should CALL preflop????

Then CHECK the flop???

atlantafalcons0 said:

Okay -----

You're SAYING I should CALL preflop????

Then CHECK the flop???

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Yes

Then I might as well fold preflop because with two more players in the hand my hand is worthless.

atlantafalcons0 said:

Then I might as well fold preflop because with two more players in the hand my hand is worthless.

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No because you can still flop something worth getting chips in but this is not a good flop multiway.

marginal said:

No because you can still flop something worth getting chips in but this is not a good flop multiway.

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What about heads up?

Is it a good flop for heads up???

I thought so....

atlantafalcons0 said:

What about heads up?

Is it a good flop for heads up???

I thought so....

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I mean its just really bad for you HU and Multiway and your hand is basically face up when you 3 bet pre.

The hand you had was good for hitting a set or a flush draw on the flop. You didn't hit either here. Even if you hit a flush or a draw to the flush it is still only second best and a good way to lose your stack.

An overpair isn't great here. We're a dog against too many hands that give us action. Even HU this isn't a good flop.

Don't be results oriented - we got our money in good against his actual hand, but we got it in really bad against the range of hands that should be willing to shove that flop.

Thanks for all the input, I'll try to be more carefull with hands like these.

Don't forget position is very important when playing PLO. Since you would have all the information you would need being the last to act on all streets. Allowing you to either control the betting or just calling and seeing how your hand plays out. eg:Flopping the nut straight UTG doesn't mean it's going to win with 2 streets left. The board could pair and leading out UTG you would be crushed by quads, fullhouse, or if a flush hits. Play the board accordingly. Even if you had AAxx in the BB approach with caution being OOP you could be crushed. IMO

atlantafalcons0 said:

Okay -----

You're SAYING I should CALL preflop????

Then CHECK the flop???

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marginal said:

Yes

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^^^^ That.

atlantafalcons0 said:

Then I might as well fold preflop because with two more players in the hand my hand is worthless.

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kmixer said:

The hand you had was good for hitting a set or a flush draw on the flop. You didn't hit either here. Even if you hit a flush or a draw to the flush it is still only second best and a good way to lose your stack.

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Some starting hands have more possibilities that others. But few hands are worthless in PLO until you see the flop. As Kmixer implied, your hand was a speculative one. It's either hit or miss. You will very rarely see a nut straight with 68 (you'd have to hit 579 with no 10 or J and no flushes (other than clubs) or pairs. And when you miss, you can be sure that multi-way, someone hit harder than you. Now the flop was about as wet as they come, There is already a straight possibility out there and a 2-flush that you don't have.

I know, you were ahead on the flop. But as marginal said, you didn't know that. So while your opponent played it a lot worse than you, you still played it poorly. It's just never a good idea to get all your $ in pre-flop, and not a good idea to raise an aggressive opponent post-flop in a particular hand unless you hit it of course. I'm thinking though, in this case, perhaps your opponent had a read on you? When I see too many PFR & C-bet on a low flop, my read is usually right on the money - naked aces (okay maybe any high pair). IDK, maybe your opponent was just a complete idiot, and rolled the dice hoping to outdraw you. Just sayin'.

Divebitch said:

^^^^ That.






Some starting hands have more possibilities that others. But few hands are worthless in PLO until you see the flop. As Kmixer implied, your hand was a speculative one. It's either hit or miss. You will very rarely see a nut straight with 68 (you'd have to hit 579 with no 10 or J and no flushes (other than clubs) or pairs. And when you miss, you can be sure that multi-way, someone hit harder than you. Now the flop was about as wet as they come, There is already a straight possibility out there and a 2-flush that you don't have.

I know, you were ahead on the flop. But as marginal said, you didn't know that. So while your opponent played it a lot worse than you, you still played it poorly. It's just never a good idea to get all your $ in pre-flop, and not a good idea to raise an aggressive opponent post-flop in a particular hand unless you hit it of course. I'm thinking though, in this case, perhaps your opponent had a read on you? When I see too many PFR & C-bet on a low flop, my read is usually right on the money - naked aces (okay maybe any high pair). IDK, maybe your opponent was just a complete idiot, and rolled the dice hoping to outdraw you. Just sayin'.

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He was a complete idiot, but thanks for the info.

pushing kings on a flop like that is a holdem play not omaha. With three people in there there are a whole bunch of hands that beat you. And don't get me started about flush and straight draws...

Divebitch said:

You will very rarely see a nut straight with 68 (you'd have to hit 579 or 457 with no 10 or J and no flushes (other than clubs) or pairs.'.

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FMP

slycbnew said:

An overpair isn't great here. We're a dog against too many hands that give us action. Even HU this isn't a good flop.

Don't be results oriented - we got our money in good against his actual hand, but we got it in really bad against the range of hands that should be willing to shove that flop.

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this ^