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Alright guys I'm pretty sure I already have the answer but is like to hear your feed back just to confirm my thoughts. So where did I go wrong on this one?

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pokerstars Hand #109670163278: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02 USD) - 2014/01/05 22:10:12 ET
Table 'Honoria IV' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: minibo$$cz ($0.65 in chips)
Seat 2: benpokermuc ($2.85 in chips)
Seat 3: alex15vlz ($2.09 in chips)
Seat 4: Sneaky Feet ($1.98 in chips)
Seat 5: chukaaaa!! ($0.82 in chips)
Seat 6: strune08 ($0.90 in chips)
Seat 7: katchemall ($2 in chips)
Seat 9: lelecomuniz ($0.93 in chips)
strune08: posts small blind $0.01
katchemall: posts big blind $0.02
intoxicadoes: sits out
lelecomuniz: posts small & big blinds $0.03
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Sneaky Feet [Jh Jd]
lelecomuniz: checks
minibo$$cz: calls $0.02
benpokermuc: folds
alex15vlz: folds
Sneaky Feet: raises $0.08 to $0.10
chukaaaa!!: raises $0.72 to $0.82 and is all-in
strune08: folds
katchemall: folds
lelecomuniz: folds
minibo$$cz: folds
Sneaky Feet: calls $0.72
*** FLOP *** [Ad 7h Qs]
*** TURN *** [Ad 7h Qs] [2d]
*** RIVER *** [Ad 7h Qs 2d] [6s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Sneaky Feet: shows [Jh Jd] (a pair of Jacks)
chukaaaa!!: shows [Ac Kc] (a pair of Aces)
chukaaaa!! collected $1.66 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1.72 | Rake $0.06
Board [Ad 7h Qs 2d 6s]
Seat 1: minibo$$cz folded before Flop
Seat 2: benpokermuc folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: alex15vlz folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Sneaky Feet showed [Jh Jd] and lost with a pair of Jacks
Seat 5: chukaaaa!! (button) showed [Ac Kc] and won ($1.66) with a pair of Aces
Seat 6: strune08 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: katchemall (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: lelecomuniz folded before Flop

Thanks in advance for your replies.
 
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The first i see you did wrong was play those jinxed jacks. I usually throw them suckers away as soon as it's my turn, and yea i have compared win-loss stats for those bad boys, and for some eerie reason they are the worst buggers you can dance with. As far as i can see, you played the hand right, but still, i believe you could have let them go after getting re-raised allin. I don't think you had enough in the pot to risk putting the rest of your stack in.
 
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Id say most of the time here your gunna be wayy behind.. Or in a coin flip.. The best you can hope for is that the villian is making this move with TT which is rare unless you have history on him and believe he would do this.. Other than that your behind a lot.. And facing two over cards the rest of the time.. Id lay it down and wait for a better spot.. Unless you feel like he would do this move light and your willing to flip for it.. At only 50bb its not as bad if you lose but id still pick a better spot
 
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I'd have probably folded those to that huge 3bet. Most of the time you're going to be behind or racing against two overs. In a cash game like you're in, I'd fold to that bet and move on.

I'm OK with your initial raise, just not the call.
 
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in micro limit easy call, many players have wide range.. In preflop u can fold, only when villain very tight, in other u need play on stack, bacause many shove range 88 99 1010 AQ AK AJ..
 
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That's a really hard spot...however im prolly folding those jacks at a NL2 cash game and unless villain is going nuts and is a loose player...many many players will just shove all in with big hands at NL2 especially....unless they have TT your flipping basically here....throw away the 10 cents and move on to the next hand.
 
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Jacks can be a pain in the backside and with that re-raise I think it is best to fold these.
 
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ye someone writting here,thats hand in micro limit is easy to call,but maybe i fold this hand ,depends of hand range of villain and how he play before,if he play aggro definitly than i pay,if he play passive than i fold .This directed me how to play that hand
 
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It's not a question of right or wrong, but rather of how good or bad your decision to call the shove was. One consideration not yet mentioned is that when someone plays a small stack, he more likely to be a fish, which can widen his range somewhat. Because there's some dead money in the pot, the math is to call as a small dog, so if you put him on a range like 99+ AK+ or TT+ AQ+, it's pretty close to call or fold.
 
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What did I do wrong continued

Thanks for all your replies. There's a lot of things that were posted that I didn't think about so they really helped. I figured I went wrong because villain was playing a pretty tight game and I should have known better. I ended up with a positive session at the end of the day because of this little gem but again the feed back has really helped me see other reasons why I should have folded.

So even with a win, what do you think? Could I have played it differently?

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PokerStars Hand #109670817859: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02 USD) - 2014/01/05 22:37:04 ET
Table 'Honoria IV' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Nepps ($1.79 in chips)
Seat 2: benpokermuc ($2.92 in chips)
Seat 3: alex15vlz ($2 in chips)
Seat 4: Sneaky Feet ($1.45 in chips)
Seat 5: kes777 ($1.06 in chips)
Seat 6: strune08 ($1.42 in chips)
Seat 8: intoxicadoes ($1.62 in chips)
alex15vlz: posts small blind $0.01
Sneaky Feet: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Sneaky Feet [2d 8s]
kes777: folds
strune08: calls $0.02
intoxicadoes: calls $0.02
Nepps: calls $0.02
benpokermuc: folds
alex15vlz: folds
Sneaky Feet: checks
*** FLOP *** [Ac 5d 7c]
Sneaky Feet: checks
strune08: checks
intoxicadoes: checks
Nepps: checks
*** TURN *** [Ac 5d 7c] [6h]
Sneaky Feet: checks
strune08: bets $0.02
intoxicadoes: folds
Nepps: folds
Sneaky Feet: raises $0.06 to $0.08
strune08: calls $0.06
*** RIVER *** [Ac 5d 7c 6h] [4d]
Sneaky Feet: bets $0.24
strune08: raises $0.24 to $0.48
Sneaky Feet: raises $0.24 to $0.72
strune08: raises $0.60 to $1.32 and is all-in
Sneaky Feet: calls $0.60
*** SHOW DOWN ***
strune08: shows [Ad Ah] (three of a kind, Aces)
Sneaky Feet: shows [2d 8s] (a straight, Four to Eight)
Sneaky Feet collected $2.79 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $2.89 | Rake $0.10
Board [Ac 5d 7c 6h 4d]
Seat 1: Nepps folded on the Turn
Seat 2: benpokermuc (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: alex15vlz (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Sneaky Feet (big blind) showed [2d 8s] and won ($2.79) with a straight, Four to Eight
Seat 5: kes777 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: strune08 showed [Ad Ah] and lost with three of a kind, Aces
Seat 8: intoxicadoes folded on the Turn

Again thanks for all the responses.
 
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yep i,d have folded jj straight away
 
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28 trash hand ,not have value, always fold in preflop..
 
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I agree I'd most likely fold to the big reraise. Your best scenario is a coinflip in that situation. You only had like $0.10 invested in that spot its easier to dump and wait for a better spot IMO.
 
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28 trash hand ,not have value, always fold in preflop..

It is ok to check 82o on the BB but yea like you said only if villain had raised before his turn then its a instant fold.

I would of flatted the turn and as played on the river.

It is great when your hand plays out like this :)

OP i suggest you use a hands converter as they are a lot easier to read.
 
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I'm not really sure what advice you want on the first hand. You called all in pre-flop at micro stakes with JJ.

Here's my opinion on it. At microstakes you're probably not losing money in the long run with going all in with jacks, espeacially if you have reads on players and only go all in against the loosest of players. You're going to get some crazy calls, small-medium pocket pairs, every now and then a lunatic with suited connectors, a good bit of the time you're going to be slightly ahead against AK/AQ, every once in a while against a random broadway hand. And against all of these hands you are a slight to big favorite. But there's also a portion of times you're going to be against AA/KK/QQ. And then you're dominated. So even though it could possibly be slightly profitable at micro stakes to play JJ this way, it will be extremely high variance, and you'd better get used to flipping against AK/AQ. And when you lose 48% of those flips you shouldn't be looking around as if you had no idea how it happened.

I prefer to play tighter and expose myself to less variance, less tilt etc.

But when he raised all in, did you think before calling? Did you actually narrow down his range at ALL? Because if you had info on the guy and thought he could shove with pocket pairs and AK/AQ and AA/KK/QQ and just figured that you were ahead of his range then you shouldn't be asking what you did wrong. You should just go "oh, he had AK, I thought that was possible, maybe he just had the higher end of his range, maybe I was incorrect about his range". It sounds like you just saw jacks and you were going to get it in come hell or high water.
 
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With a three bet shove you're flipping at best and even then its not the worst call, its just you could wait for a better spot. If you were opening a lot of pots then it makes your call better obviously, it just depends on your perceived range when raising in the CO like that.
 
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My theory would be this, its 2NL and you have jacks, but my question comes from soemthing else i read
you admit he was playing tight

now ask yourself 2 things, did you think that before seeing the hand play out, or did you think that after seeing the AK

if you felt he was being too tight, then this would be an easy fold, because as stated your either flipping or losing

but if you know this player is playing tight then you may have made a mistake that you havent thought about yet

J J v A K very much so a flip, but how often had you raised his blinds, did you try and steal from him alot previously, if not then ask yourself why not if you percieved him as tight
if you have been playing the player and stealing from a Tight player, then ask yourself is he restealing, he doesnt really have a restealing stack so not really an option, in which case you definately can read that your behind or flipping

if after a while you notice he losens up because you are stealing from him too often then you know J J is an easy call

So your main mistake as i percieve is : You should be trying to play the player more and not the cards you are dealt, by doing this your taking information from your opponents and finding ways of extracting money from them which has nothing to do with your cards holdings, the only time playing your cards is a key ingredient is when you know your opponents have you beat and you know they cant let go of there hand
 
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nothing wrong here. you have just lost a flip with a pair of jacks against ace king. however jacks arent that strong to go all in preflop, especially on cash games, where the blinds never increase. however in lower limit you can call with any hand better than jacks or even tens if the player you are facing is loose or a maniac. i cant really see myself folding in this spot, maybe if the villain who makes the raise is a tight player or a nit.
 
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jj vs ak pre all in

I think it really depends on your stack size relative to the blinds...ten BB or less...I'm shipping jj pre flop unless a nit raises first...then I would just raise or flat to make sure no moron with kt thinks you are shipping light...with 66 or below...the whole point of hold em is to use all the info you can gather to come to conclusions of opponents hands and extracting the max when your hand is better than your opponents...shipping pre negates most info you could gather...better to just raise in a good game and setting what happens on flop and go off of your opponents tendencies.
 
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he was the BB and it was limped to him

all the same this hand trash , u need fold in flop always, only in board u have 228 or 22x, and other situathion need fold, because no value..
 
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variance

When you don't get all the information you can, the variance comes into play.... If you have double am opponents stack heads up you can play with the odds a bit, but I don't recommend it...always play your opponent for their tendencies...if they are highly likely to bluff then let them bluff and you call, you have to get reads on opponents and your action should get you what you think will win you the most. There is also variance in bankroll management...you need 100 buy ins of whatever limits you play.
 
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Read the hand again, OPwas in BIG BLIND and no one raised preflop or flop
Read my post from above, this hand not have value, only sick play in flop this hand because need understand this -EV...
 
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Read my post from above, this hand not have value, only sick play in flop this hand because need understand this -EV...
So on an unraised pot you are going to find the Fold Big Blind Button and Fold The Big Blind?
I agree the hand is garbage and would not ever play it, But I am not folding my big blind to no raise,
 
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