What is the best starting hand to beat aces

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hi guys
i was just wondering what is the best starting hand to beat aces since i'm sick of being beat by aces.
 
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i hear rumors...

that 65 suited has the best odds for aces...gl.
 
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There is no better hand preflop to beat aces, however 78 s is a better hand odds wise than 56s
 
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I thought it was 98s.

Having said that, if I knew the other guy had AA preflop I would fold anything I had in almost 99% of situations. (Unless I`m very short stacked and getting pot odds, against short stack getting pot odds, etc)
 
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I prefer 9-10s. If HU, that 56s will do just as well. But I have yet to see anyone announce they have aces (and mean it) before the flop.
 
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Suited connectors work best.
The cc-odds calculator shows 20-23 % for 10,9s (different suit as any of the aces).
This question is rather theoretical as I don't want opp to turn AA no matter what I've got.;)
 
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Eh, you need a lot luck that you can beat A A preflop, But i say K-K or Q-J suited, 8-9Suited, 6-5suited etc, all suited hands got little chance to beat aces lol, and you need a lot luck.
 
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Not a good hand to try to beat aces.

+1

You are looking at a 2 outer hand not good

a middlish suited connector like 78s gives you the most ways of drawing, straight, flush, 2 pair etc.
 
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But i say K-K or Q-J suited

Not really rocket science, but 2-2 has as good a chance as K-K of beating A-A. And actually Q-J is not as good as 9-10 or lower, because should you hit your K, you are probably not gonna see an ace.
 
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i say any pocket pair is good to bet or call depending on your chip stack. you never know if you will get something on the river
 
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I agree with a previous post that if you had someone on ace's you should fold unless you hold AA too. How can you give odds on other cards without knowing what the flop will be? It ends up being down to pot odds. If he let you get in cheap etc ( but then you wouldnt have him on AA) you might then fall on your feet with any drawing cards or smaller pair for trips.

Result in the long run........Lose money.
 
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I really like to play small pocket pairs against big hands. When someone has Ace's and the board hits your pocket pair and you trip up it's hard for most players to fold those Ace's when the board in not textured, and has low cards. Most players with push hard in this situation and will most likely pay you off in this situation. The good thing is if your small pocket pair does not hit then it's an easy hand to get away from.
 
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any can crack

wow i would say almost any hand but you need the flop the turn and river to go your way!!!:joyman:
 
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how many players are with you? ...in heads up situations every hands good...sometimes 7/2 too...
 
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I can`t believe some of the responses

Bottom line, if someone has AA and u somehow know, you should fold unless for some reason the pot odds dictate different.

Even if it is the short stack has only 10% of your stack u can`t call because u r about a 5:1 dog.

Having said all of this, as pointed out, suited connectors 67, 78, 89 - I guess any that can`t use an ace for a straight, with the suites u r chasing not covered by the aces.
 
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Bottom line, if someone has AA and u somehow know, you should fold unless for some reason the pot odds dictate different.

But if you know, Ron, then call and see if you beat Aces, then fold flop 90+% of the time. The other 10%, take all the Ace holder's chips. This assuming that both of you have full stacks so that you have good implied odds. This is why you call a tight player's raise with smaller pairs or suited connectors; you're looking for implied odds to beat that big pair.


Dorkus ran a thread about this, like a year or more ago, I think.
 
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But if you know, Ron, then call and see if you beat Aces, then fold flop 90+% of the time. The other 10%, take all the Ace holder's chips. This assuming that both of you have full stacks so that you have good implied odds. This is why you call a tight player's raise with smaller pairs or suited connectors; you're looking for implied odds to beat that big pair.
Dorkus ran a thread about this, like a year or more ago, I think.

I know this, but the question is "What is the best starting hand to beat Aces"

Possibly we need clarification from the OP as to what he means. :confused:

I do know what u r getting at. Notice one of the guys have responded with AA they either lose big pots or win small ones - probably for reason stated.

The point I`m making is than no hand is good preflop v aces.
 
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I like to fold when up against aces rather than try to beat them.
 
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Dont mean to be mean or anything but if your sick of getting beaten by aces it sounds like your calling with rubbish to often. Be a bit more selective with your starting hands ..... just a thought
 
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is no hand favorite preflop to beat aces. you have almost the same chance to beat aceas with kk or with 74.but dont go in a hand when you see someone is very good and make big raises...just fold the hand dont try to beat him
 
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I really can't believe this question was brought up, but if you want the true answer.......2 jokers beat all starting hands pre and post flop, they are wild cards after all with endless possibilities ;)
 
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all pps have an equal chance obv
 
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I'm sick of being beat by aces.

Folding pf is the best solution imo.:eviltongu
 
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all pps have an equal chance obv
Not so.
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 82.217% 81.95% 00.27% 50515452 165366.00 { AA }
Hand 1: 17.783% 17.51% 00.27% 10796760 165366.00 { 22 }

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 81.771% 81.53% 00.24% 50255172 150876.00 { AA }
Hand 1: 18.229% 17.98% 00.24% 11086020 150876.00 { 33 }

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 81.329% 81.10% 00.22% 49994892 138420.00 { AA }
Hand 1: 18.671% 18.45% 00.22% 11371212 138420.00 { 44 }

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 80.889% 80.68% 00.21% 49734612 127476.00 { AA }
Hand 1: 19.111% 18.90% 00.21% 11653380 127476.00 { 55 }

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 80.458% 80.27% 00.18% 49483368 113022.00 { AA }
Hand 1: 19.542% 19.36% 00.18% 11933532 113022.00 { 66 }

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 80.481% 80.31% 00.17% 49506984 103734.00 { AA }
Hand 1: 19.519% 19.35% 00.17% 11928492 103734.00 { 77 }

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 80.462% 80.29% 00.17% 49495464 103500.00 { AA }
Hand 1: 19.538% 19.37% 00.17% 11940480 103500.00 { 88 }

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 80.876% 80.78% 00.18% 7077661 16081.50 { AA }
Hand 1: 19.124% 18.96% 00.18% 1661257 16081.50 { 99 }

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 80.749% 80.56% 00.19% 49659624 116478.00 { AA }
Hand 1: 19.251% 19.06% 00.19% 11750364 116478.00 { TT }

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 81.148% 80.94% 00.20% 49896864 125190.00 { AA }
Hand 1: 18.852% 18.65% 00.20% 11495700 125190.00 { JJ }

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 81.547% 81.33% 00.22% 50134104 133902.00 { AA }
Hand 1: 18.453% 18.24% 00.22% 11241036 133902.00 { QQ }

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 81.946% 81.71% 00.23% 50371344 142614.00 { AA }
Hand 1: 18.054% 17.82% 00.23% 10986372 142614.00 { KK }

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 50.000% 02.17% 47.83% 223260 4913652.00 { AA }
Hand 1: 50.000% 02.17% 47.83% 223260 4913652.00 { AA }

It looks as though the middle Pocket Pairs, 66-88 have the best chance of sucking out against AA. The reason is obvious. Aces use T-K and 2-5 to make str8's which can counter suckout the higher and lower pocket pairs when they make sets. Ironically, in terms of winning. AA is the very worst hand to have against AA at just over 2%. Of course you have a 98% chance of not losing.
 
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