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why are people calling all ins with 5-6 and beating me? I cant seem to win with high pocket pairs. I try to bet high enough pre flop to get rid of stragglers, but cant seem to shake them. am i missing something here?:eek: :confused:
 
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Raise 3x plus 1BB per limper. You want players like that calling you so you can make cash from them. I had ran into some players like that, till i started hitting monsters, then they started folding to my raises.
If you're playing in play cash games they will call you with anything.
 
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What limits are you playing at? I've found lower limit games and fixed limit games have a lot more "risky" behavior. It's very easy for people in low limit games to consider their bets to be "only a few cents" and willing to try their luck at the fact they consider it very low financial gamble. This is why as kidkvno1 said, you need to bet stronger to get them out of the pot earlier and not allow so many people to simply just limp in.

A lot of people will limp in in low limit games with fairly junk hands, the flop will come and suddenly the entire game has changed. But even then, I have not seen very many people go all-in preflop unless they have something worth doing so or their attempting to pull a big bluff. So, are you getting raised all-in pre-flop, at the turn or the river?
 
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First off let me thank both of you for your time:) Im playing on the lower limit cash tables on americas cardroom. idk if some people have a way of cheating or what, the situation was this...i had pocket Q's and bet $2 pre flop, was then raised and i pushed all in, he called with 5-6 off suit and beat me with a str8. do you think this was just a bad player or a cheat somehow?
 
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Thats a perfect example of PB/GL. It's a very common strategy. In fact, I believe that Play bad/Get lucky is the most widely used strategy at the micro level. From what I've seen lately, across multiple sites, it may be the most popular strategy in use online today.

I used to play 50NL until the day I had a series of hands like the one you described. I was getting them in with hands like Aces, Kings, Queens. After a while I wouldn't play less than Jacks and still didn't win a hand in an hour. I've always disregarded that theory that online poker was rigged, although I never rule out the possibility of cheating. People are greedy and will always try to find a way to take whatever advantage they can. In this case, because of the way these zoo monkeys were throwing their chips around, the only way they could be cheating was to know in advance what the community cards were going to be, since in every case the chips went in before the flop. I'm talking about a raise, a 3-bet, 4-bet, and a shove with 2-6. I call with A-A and lose to trip deuces. K-K loses to J-7 when my opponent hits a 9 high straight. Q-Q vs. 8-3 off, didn't stand a chance. I kept getting up to leave, but kept sitting back down because I just didn't believe that this could keep happening. But it did. I didn't win a single hand in over an hour of playing nothing less than pocket Jacks.

I don't know how they could have been cheating. Here's what I do know. Most of the players were unfamiliar to me, even though I played the same stakes every day at the same time and was used to playing with the same players every day. It wasn't just one player playing this way. Nor was it just one player winning. If you looked that the hand summarys in the chat window, every pot was for $50+.

Eventually I gave up, after losing several hundred dollars in the span of an hour. I've always agreed with the people who say a site wouldn't risk losing the rake they collect by rigging games or anything else that would cost them their player base. Someone suggested that I may have been targeted because I had cashed out $1000 of the $1500 bankroll that had built primarily from freerolls. Maybe the site would rather have my bankroll back than have my rake. I don't know. I know some people will call it variance. While I might admit that it's possible, I would question how probable it is. I do know that I haven't played any online cash games since. I have thought about it, but I just can bring myself to do it. The funny thing is that I still don't think it's rigged, and can't figure how it could have been cheating. But I still can't come to terms with that many big hands being cracked by absolute rags. I wish I had saved the hand histories from that table so that others could really understand and know that I'm not exagerating.

I didn't mean to hijack your thread, but I guess I still get wound up thinking about it.
 
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No you didnt hijack my thread :) I thought I was missing something, just couldnt believe what was going on at this table with trash hands...I have 2 say i was actual scared to play a good hand lol if that makes any sence 2 u. anyways thanks for sharing it with us and allowing me to vent !!! Good luck
 
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if your raising that much then i know about what u have......and if i have been watchin the flow of the game i might be able to guess the nxt flop to be a dud or fireworks. keeping your bet basically the same as said like 3x plus one bb for each limper is good basic stradegy. it helps disguise your :D hand and if the flop is not so favorable to you or youre reraised, you can still get away from it relativley cheap, or push. more importantly you will have that choice or position most of the time. try to get the feel of the table first. keep a low profile and watch the other players. this is most important, yeah ya gotta pay attention. bottom line check your roll make sure your within limits to play at your stakes and if your feeling like your gettin cheated, whether it be the boogie man or the joker himself find another table, trust your instincts there there for a reason. take a break come back with a fresh mind. ive seen someone win like 9 or ten HU matches on 2 tables(18-20wins), just watching everytime this guy having the better of the two hands that play themselves in HU was crazy. SHIT happens? he did end up losing like 2 or 3 matches, i was playing another game and started scrolling the games and happen to sart watching his tables. there is no checks and balances for any online gaming site so they can pretty much do what they want. Would they wanna risk getting caught cheating? Who judges how big that risk is? whos watching?.....is bill from software development hookin up his buddies? maybe there's a secret charity for the indians in the gaming comission........ who knows.funny but this bet you gotta take on good faith until further notice. InMyUneducatedOpinon
 
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Well I know sometimes people will call with utter shall I say crap. What I mean is, like today. I went all in with I think a 5 and 9 or something. Why? I was being bothered by friends (lol) and could'nt pay attention to my game the way I would like to.
Funny thing is, I did lose the hand but I lost the hand to a guy who only had say 200 chips so I actually won from a sidepot.
So all I am saying is sometimes conditions take place that affect gameplay.
And I hate that. lol
 
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Here's the problem with low stakes games:

How important do you consider $0.10 to be? If I asked you if you could stand to lose $0.10 on a bet, you'd probably say yes...and this is exactly the mindset most micro players have. What's $0.10, heck what's $0.25...no biggie - and so their willing to take higher risks because the losses are seemingly insignificant.

But eventually, things won't work out for them, because as any poker player will know, a few $0.10 bets add up over time and before you know it, they're going to make a bad call and find themselves turning a few small bets into some big losses. Just play smart poker, be aware of the loose players and tighten up and I think you'll be okay. You're not going to hit everything and you're going to be unlucky sometimes, but it'll work out for you if you continue to play smart.
 
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I know thats true Cobra, but man not tilting in the meanwhile is the trick i have to learn !!! I can feel it actualy effect my game and the way i play. iI guess that will all come with practice and xp :)
 
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First off let me thank both of you for your time:) Im playing on the lower limit cash tables on americas cardroom. idk if some people have a way of cheating or what, the situation was this...i had pocket Q's and bet $2 pre flop, was then raised and i pushed all in, he called with 5-6 off suit and beat me with a str8. do you think this was just a bad player or a cheat somehow?
I'm sure he was trying to take the pot preflop thinking no one would call.
There are no programs that i know of, for seeing flops before they come out, it was just one of them badbeats.
 
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