This is a discussion on variance and getting value. within the online poker forums, in the Learning Poker section; going over my hands I lose most with my big hand,where either my opp gets lucky on the river or I have a very good
going over my hands I lose most with my big hand,where either my opp gets lucky on the river or I have a very good hand but not the best.both of these situations I have put a lot of money in the pot and end up losing it,so bascically my biggest leak are my big hands.I know variance evens out and I mainly win with my big hands but the problem is a lot of the time when I do win Im not getting paid enough to cover the time I lose with the same hand.its possible Im not folding enough for example when I have a set and a straight falls on the turn for the opp,should I always fold in this situation?
1st December 2011, 1:42 PM
Poker at: Pokerstars
Game: Cash, MTTs
So there are two problems:
1) Where your opponent hits an lucky outer and beats you - Nothing you can do about this, you got it in with the best hand, you will win $$ in the long run.
2) When you have a great hand but may have been outdrawn - I don't think we should always fold in this situation but we should certainly play the hand more cautiously, checking rather than betting, and trying to work out of they have it based on their betting. My flushes keep losing to full houses recently, why did I call those all-ins? GGRRRR!
1st December 2011, 1:46 PM
Online Poker at: Stars
Post the hands and villains stats where you have a very good hand but not the best as you put it, maybe your just getting too attached and won't fold vs obv strength
1st December 2011, 1:50 PM
Poker at: 24hpoker
re: Poker & variance and getting value.
ye it can be annoying alright.but what Im getting at is when you win with your flush you win 5BB lets say,but the time you lose with the flush you end up losing 8BB,really you want it to be the other way around.the example I just gave is whats happening to me and Im trying to figure out how to lose 5BB and win the 8BB,(well Im not trying to lose the 5BB lol)
1st December 2011, 1:53 PM
Online Poker at: 24hpoker
@orangepeeleo ye I think your right,not folding against strong aggression.could be I dont want to believe Im beat.have to figure myself out on this one.
1st December 2011, 4:51 PM
Poker at: Stars
what stakes are you playing at? stack sizes etc play a lot into the hand as well, if youve put in like 75% of your stack you clearly can't fold haha stick up some HH so we can evaluate..
1st December 2011, 5:15 PM
Online Poker at: Pokerstars
Put HH up. Opp got lucky = +ev = not bothered we lost.
Don't get too attached to AA or KK. Think what opponent may have.
1st December 2011, 6:19 PM
re: Poker & variance and getting value.
There is no way you should always fold. One thing you can do to help decide when is to consider the opponent's hand range for his previous actions. For instance, did he open-limp pre-flop or bet out? And what are his likely ranges for each action? And how well or badly does the range for his action on this hand intersect with the board? It's not the same situation when he can have a straight if he has say T9 vs if he needs to have say 63.
This is just one example. You can ask similar questions in various other situations such as if he limped behind vs called a bet pre-flop. Again, his ranges for these actions will differ, and so will their respective degrees of fit with the board.
1st December 2011, 10:16 PM
Online Poker at: Carbon
Game: NL holdem
It also depends on what you mean by big hand and board texture also matters. If it’s set over set on the flop and everything goes in, for example, then nothing you can do about that. But let’s say you have K3 and the board’s KK729 and you’ve faced resistance/aggression, then it’s better to keep the pot size manageable because there’s a good chance you are outkicked. Trip K’s may be a “big hand” but any K there likely beats you.