luckytvguy
Visionary
Silver Level
I found that there are many train video of poker online.They are sold with quite a price.I wonder whether these video are better than reading books.Do we need to learning poker by watching there video?
zEric7x
Visionary
Silver Level
I read a few books but I watch more videos. I learn somewhat from both of them. I feel like I learned all of my "basic" strategy from books but I am expanding certain skills by watching videos.
I have been watching videos on a coaching site and they are pretty helpful. I wouldn't of paid for it because like you said it costs quite a bit. The poker room I was using had a promotion so I get free service into the end of this month.
My advise would be to know what you want out of it first. There are so many videos I had to find a certain coach and only study on a certain topic so I can remain focused.
The quality was good but I still wouldn't of paid money for it. There are some free videos online to though.
http://www.thepokerbank.com/videos/
This site has a bunch of videos and they could be useful. They are all by the same person and watched almost all of them once.
I have been watching videos on a coaching site and they are pretty helpful. I wouldn't of paid for it because like you said it costs quite a bit. The poker room I was using had a promotion so I get free service into the end of this month.
My advise would be to know what you want out of it first. There are so many videos I had to find a certain coach and only study on a certain topic so I can remain focused.
The quality was good but I still wouldn't of paid money for it. There are some free videos online to though.
http://www.thepokerbank.com/videos/
This site has a bunch of videos and they could be useful. They are all by the same person and watched almost all of them once.
DrazaFFT
public static void
Bronze Level
I watched tons of vids online, never those from coaching sites because i cant afford it but those on you tube, i have also read few books to and play with icm trainer and ace poker drill, of course posting and lurking on CC is helpful.
I like to mixing it up with learning, this might be a bad thing but i get bored really fast so mixing things helps...
I like to mixing it up with learning, this might be a bad thing but i get bored really fast so mixing things helps...
Arjonius
Legend
Silver Level
Different people learn differently, and there's also the factor of where a person is in the process of building or improving his game. So assuming equal levels of appropriateness, books will help some people more, while others will do better with vids. It's also possible that the same person will benefit more from books at one stage in his development and from vids at another.
And I disagree that training sites are expensive. At $30 or so per month, they may seem so when your BR is tiny, but from a different perspective, if a site improves your play enough to win $30 more per month (or lose $30 less), then the net cost is 0.
And I disagree that training sites are expensive. At $30 or so per month, they may seem so when your BR is tiny, but from a different perspective, if a site improves your play enough to win $30 more per month (or lose $30 less), then the net cost is 0.
zEric7x
Visionary
Silver Level
If you were a player that played a lot I agree but personally I am almost just a recreational player so I wouldn't be willing to spend even that.
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kmichaels
Rock Star
Silver Level
I think that if you are a initiate you can learn the basics of poker and some tips, like betting, starting hands, odds, position, in some videos and even books. But the rest, which is the fundamental thing to be successful, will depend just from you and only from you, and that is called natural talent. So learn the basics and then play your own way and not a book´s way.Experience will do the rest. So remember: more you follow the books more predictable you are.
luckytvguy
Visionary
Silver Level
What are "icm trainer" and "ace poker drill",Please say something about them?
luckytvguy
Visionary
Silver Level
Could you please tell me the coaching site and the poker room with the promotion?Of course ,if that is not against regulation of the CC.May be you can send me a message.
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matiusaa
Visionary
Silver Level
I suggest you to join a pokerschool reather than spending money in books and videos. If you join pokerstars pokerschool, there is online training with trainers. You watch them play in your limits and they explain explain everything they do. I learnt a lot there. Also, you can try posting hands in forum for specialists to evaluate. Reading a book or watching a video helps, but then you need to put that in practice, and there's nothing better for that than a pokerschool.
zEric7x
Visionary
Silver Level
I am using Drag the Bar. This page describes getting it for free.
http://www.dragthebar.com/freepokertraining/
It was like a rake back offer I think. I just needed to make like $10 in rake.
Poker Orifice
Fully Tilted
Platinum Level
Play in the Cardschat HomeGame League on Pokerstars..... I've won a couple of 30-day memberships for 'DragTheBar' from being on a team that won the prize.
As Arjon mentioned, just pay the $30/mth. as it is more than worth it!
As Arjon mentioned, just pay the $30/mth. as it is more than worth it!
DrazaFFT
public static void
Bronze Level
icm trainer is a push or fold trainer for sng, i found it on pokerstrategy... ace poker dril is a trainer where you train equity outs and winning percentage, i didnt buy it, when trial period expired you can only use outs and percentage trainer, which is fine for free
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frankrizzojr
Enthusiast
Silver Level
I think a combination of both is necessary. books will explain in more detail and then watching a pro play will hammer home the concepts. I don't think you can do just one or the other. studying poker is like studying any other complex topic .
Arjonius
Legend
Silver Level
I am and always have been a recreational player.
As for the way I look at training sites, it distills down to this. Do you believe you either won't or can't learn enough to increase your winnings / reduce your losses by $30 a month?
Sure, if you only play one or two hours per week, that would be unlikely. But if you play 5-7 hours per week, which I'd seems pretty recreational to me, it's much more feasible, and it gets easier if your hours per week are higher.
Another possible way of looking at is is by considering how many people think nothing of spending $30 per month on other recreational activities, and with no chance of ever seeing that money again.
luckytvguy
Visionary
Silver Level
How much does the Pokerstars pokerschool cost?
luckytvguy
Visionary
Silver Level
I even dont know Cardschat have homegame on Pokerstars.That's a great news.Could you please tell me how to join the home game?
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Goathair
Rock Star
Silver Level
Some books do nice job of describing the situation, but it is nice to have video as well to reinforce the info. I really enjoy the Classroom/Lesson style videos where they cover a topic, and use video examples to highlight those spots. That's why i like the PokerZion/Leakbuster vids. I never really liked the sweat type videos or got much out of them. Just have to figure out what works for you.
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ezevan1022
Enthusiast
Silver Level
I would recommend both, for each person it will be different. I would say that videos are more hands on, and that books there is more processing the data in your mind. You should be willing to try any method of improvement if your serious about poker
topper39
Rock Star
Silver Level
Personally I prefer books. Books are at least sth tangible and thats why I'm willing to pay for them. I don't like the idea of paying sometimes quite high amounts just for access to some vids on training sites. Maybe thats because I don't have any experince with it.
By the way, can you guys recommend me some sites offering free, good quality videos? I know just Pokervip and few channels on youtube.
By the way, can you guys recommend me some sites offering free, good quality videos? I know just Pokervip and few channels on youtube.
TeUnit
Legend
Loyaler
i like the videos better than books, that being said it is easier to study some concepts with a book that you can reference
as far as cost goes, you can find lots of free videos from reputable coaches online for free at:youtube, training sites, forums etc.
as far as cost goes, you can find lots of free videos from reputable coaches online for free at:youtube, training sites, forums etc.
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rrph3rtbkr
Rock Star
Silver Level
yaa both are essential and important , u should take knwoledge and gain information as mutch as u can .. videos can give u instant review what the player is doing and y he his doing they always explain which ae very gud and in books u also got those .. but in videos u sometime found live analsyis of hand .. which i appealing
Henry Minute
Legend
Silver Level
As many others have already said, there are millions of FREE training videos. There is no need to pay any money when you are a beginner.
There are also some FREE poker books available, I'm not talking about the ripped ones but genuinely free ones. One that is linked with CardsChat is Polished Poker Vol 1, look at https://www.cardschat.com/forum/learning-poker-57/polished-poker-vol-i-free-poker-224449/ for details about how to get it.
In my opinion you should use any resource that is available to you. Don't just stick to books or just videos.
The biggest problem I find is one of the style of the presenter or author. Someone suggested to me that I should read the books by David Sklansky and there is no doubt that he is one of the foremost experts on poker, the problem is that I find his books difficult to read. I have to read each part 3, 4 or more times to really get what he is on about. Not that rereading is a bad thing but I just find his style difficult. It may be that you would not have that problem
The same sort of thing is true of online videos. Some of them are easier to learn from than others. For example, there is a series of videos on YouTube by 'gripsed' I like them a lot but my friend cannot get past the presenters mannerisms to concentrate on the content.
Different strokes for different folks.
For videos the solution is to 'suck it and see'. Take a look at all the suggestions in this thread, or search for 'holdem training videos', and when you find one where you like the presenter and feel that it is teaching you something view them all.
Books are a little more difficult since the majority are not free but if you go to Amazon (or another online retailer) and search for 'holdem books' you will find that many of them have what Amazon call 'look inside' where you can read a small part of the book. That way you can at least find out if you like the way the author writes.