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I have no idea if this concept has been written about in countless books either... but no harm in explaining my thoughts.


This is something that happens to me very often and I don't doubt it also happens to many of you...


OK your turn arrives and two Players are betting up behind you, you think.. “I have 7 3 off suited, they are about to go at it so I'm going to fold my big blind and count my self lucky I didn't lose more chips”?


So then on the turn 7 A 3 Has been laid.. right?


Now you think “Oh sh*T*#*#!#!!” .“Why did I do that? Just my luck”


“Oh Well never mind!” right? Come on you know what I'm talking about lol don't you?


Not only does that happen but on top just to add insult to injury


The river shows another 7


Not only does this happen to us all but we should learn our lesson by it or do we and not know it?


A few hands later we press call on some thing like the 7 3 off suit and you wouldn't normally....


So what have we learn't so far? have we learn't by our mistake? If we look at how this mistake is constructed and why it occurred then we have.


OK so this is the Concept forgive me if its well known and I've only just discovered myself...



As our brains are stimulated by the action of a "rewards based system" we are unwittingly and subconsciously programmed to see the pattern of “77733” hand folded as a loss of reward encounter.

As we endeavor to create more "rewarding gain" as opposed to "reward loss" our unconsciousness is compelled to throw in a gut feeling and instinctive action by pressing call button, given that a recurrence of a reward loss encounter similar to last encounter is less desirable.


The pattern building is an automatic subconscious process and while staring at a screen with vivid colored decks , large stacks and the feeling of loss and reward , we tend to allow our Gut feeling to aid our decision...


Based on this natural process we see the Casino industry strive to pull in the rakes with flashing lights and golden tickets all seeking to stimulate the reward centers of the brain....


Better question would be......If casinos and poker platforms chose to utilize “Reward Loss pattern recurrence associated with folded hands” system and “subliminal coaching” would we ever know it? lol

Stop when the fun stops or when you are compelled to:eek::eek::eek:
 
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Technically all hands are winnable in poker, the thing is the frequency, you fold 7-3 because even with top pair / two pair you can be beat with better top pair / two pair, every now and then it will flop a full house, but if you keep betting with 7 - 3 to flop a full house, you will lose money in the long run anyway, hence you must be disciplined enough to fold them surely in a multi way pot
 
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Technically all hands are winnable in poker, the thing is the frequency, you fold 7-3 because even with top pair / two pair you can be beat with better top pair / two pair, every now and then it will flop a full house, but if you keep betting with 7 - 3 to flop a full house, you will lose money in the long run anyway, hence you must be disciplined enough to fold them surely in a multi way pot

:eek: Well said Forest!! If i could just pick at your brain, you have the perfect notes for revision. Its so easy to loose track of Handy tips when your zoned into a game aswell.
 
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That is an interesting point of veiw. Psychology theorists and sociologists have many perspectives supporting your question. Personally from what ive learnt in my studies Alot of it comes down to the person. The real question is how and why does 1 become a problem gambler ?? What are the odds that this person shares the same stages of cognitive and psychosocial development thoughout the lifespan.. making them the perfect mixture of ingredients for a problem gambler, and yes they have no idea. But the casino’s know, theyve attracted them but specifically that person, those people, they think that their on the guest list but they are on the menu thanks to the findings of the research in studies of socialologists and theorists whom aided alot of buisness and companies to success and power.
 
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That is an interesting point of veiw. Psychology theorists and sociologists have many perspectives supporting your question. Personally from what ive learnt in my studies Alot of it comes down to the person. The real question is how and why does 1 become a problem gambler ?? What are the odds that this person shares the same stages of cognitive and psychosocial development thoughout the lifespan.. making them the perfect mixture of ingredients for a problem gambler, and yes they have no idea. But the casino’s know, theyve attracted them but specifically that person, those people, they think that their on the guest list but they are on the menu thanks to the findings of the research in studies of socialologists and theorists whom aided alot of buisness and companies to success and power.

Wow Yazi33 Very nice post! I'm sure you'll be a a great star on CardsChat forum hope you stay and enjoy what CC has to offer when you've finished your research into Game addiction...

Would be interesting to see if AI software can become addicted to a rewarding task. suppose a university student could use that idea in a paper for their doctorate.
 
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With your question you will come to play with any cards. It would be a great mistake. Understand the possibility of your BB in the game. There is a game structure in the formula and table. Do not rush to swamp into the pool without knowing the Ford.
 
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They can’t have that!

Well, just when the odds say , no way, they could have it the 1 outter, on the river and called all the way, to catch that...........

Yes they can and do.. just my bad luck?
 
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Very interesting post and one definitely worth considering.
The scenario you share is where the player is a gambler, not a poker player.

Poker is not gambling, it is a mathematical strategy game often played by gamblers.

Gamblers are susceptible to this way of thinking, but a poker player know that he/she made the right fold and will do it again without hesitation, because they know that regardless of the chance that 7-3o will hit a full house, there is a much greater chance they won't.

Gamblers are not winning players and one of the reasons is this kind of thought process.
 
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I have no idea if this concept has been written about in countless books either... but no harm in explaining my thoughts.


This is something that happens to me very often and I don't doubt it also happens to many of you...


OK your turn arrives and two Players are betting up behind you, you think.. “I have 7 3 off suited, they are about to go at it so I'm going to fold my big blind and count my self lucky I didn't lose more chips”?


So then on the turn 7 A 3 Has been laid.. right?


Now you think “Oh sh*T*#*#!#!!” .“Why did I do that? Just my luck”


“Oh Well never mind!” right? Come on you know what I'm talking about lol don't you?


Not only does that happen but on top just to add insult to injury


The river shows another 7


Not only does this happen to us all but we should learn our lesson by it or do we and not know it?


A few hands later we press call on some thing like the 7 3 off suit and you wouldn't normally....


So what have we learn't so far? have we learn't by our mistake? If we look at how this mistake is constructed and why it occurred then we have.


OK so this is the Concept forgive me if its well known and I've only just discovered myself...



As our brains are stimulated by the action of a "rewards based system" we are unwittingly and subconsciously programmed to see the pattern of “77733” hand folded as a loss of reward encounter.

As we endeavor to create more "rewarding gain" as opposed to "reward loss" our unconsciousness is compelled to throw in a gut feeling and instinctive action by pressing call button, given that a recurrence of a reward loss encounter similar to last encounter is less desirable.


The pattern building is an automatic subconscious process and while staring at a screen with vivid colored decks , large stacks and the feeling of loss and reward , we tend to allow our Gut feeling to aid our decision...


Based on this natural process we see the Casino industry strive to pull in the rakes with flashing lights and golden tickets all seeking to stimulate the reward centers of the brain....


Better question would be......If casinos and poker platforms chose to utilize “Reward Loss pattern recurrence associated with folded hands” system and “subliminal coaching” would we ever know it? lol

Stop when the fun stops or when you are compelled to:eek::eek::eek:

Nice post. I have read similar things before and always thought "oh yeah, that makes sense".

As poker players we have to try to play according to maths and knowledge rather than gut feelings. We all know that playing 73o with two pre-flop raisers is not an optimal play, yet I'm sure we've all done it at some point in our careers where we've played a hand shortly after the same hand flopped a monster. It is a form of tilt and we all know that's not a good thing.

Absolutely casinos are aware of this type of mentality - it is how they make the most money and they dial in to those people specifically. Yes it's cynical, but it's very profitable for them.
 
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Gotta have the faith, I guess. Yesterday I folded 72. The flop came 772. Next hand I folded 83. You guessed it - same sort of thing. A few hands later I played KK - lost. TT - lost. Then later AK - busted.

I played OMHL for a couple of hours - got nowhere playing good hands in good spots. Then got into a hand with crap cards for free in the BB. I was full stack and tripled up.
 
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