Top pair and a big draw

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This situation has been bringing up a lot of questions for me. Say Im holding AKs and the flop comes A and two of my suit. How do y'all play it?

I am purposefully leaving out stack size, ring vs. tourney, etc to hear more thoughts. Thanks all
 
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The usual - depends on position, opponents, stack sizes etc - but apart from that I'm betting this hard and if the situation is right all in. Depending on what the other two card are I might be concerned about a straight but you have the best hand here (AA & KK aside) so bet it hard.
 
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wetyeti said:
This situation has been bringing up a lot of questions for me. Say Im holding AKs and the flop comes A and two of my suit. How do y'all play it?

I am purposefully leaving out stack size, ring vs. tourney, etc to hear more thoughts. Thanks all
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yes it does depend on stack size, position etc but normal it's only 1 pair and i would play it aggressive in most cases. If it's a flop like aqj and you have aks then you need to play it aggressively and might fold it on turn or river to heavy resistance. If its a flop like a83 then you can play it more passive because there's less chance for your opponents to catch up.
 
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wetyeti said:
This situation has been bringing up a lot of questions for me. Say Im holding AKs and the flop comes A and two of my suit. How do y'all play it?

I am purposefully leaving out stack size, ring vs. tourney, etc to hear more thoughts. Thanks all
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The info. you're choosing to leave out is the exact info. I'd need to be able to answer your question reasonably (IT DEPENDS!). Poker is very situationally dependent.... not much of it is black & white, or where you can put it in a box so to speak.
When I consider your question my first thoughts go to who's in the hand w me? reads on opponents, history with opponents, position, table image, blah blah blah.... and then if it's a tournament situation a bunch more stuff comes into play.
To me, poker isn't a game where you can just say, "Lead out with a 2/3 bet on the flop if you were the preflop aggressor and there's 3 or less players in the hand" etc. It is very situationally dependent.
 
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Thanks for the replies to my incomplete question. I find myself thinking trap here in a lot of situations and I dont think this is a good idea. Here are is some more useful info if y'all have some more time

#1 - Midway through MTT. Hero is in late position with ATc. Blinds 200/400
3 limpers PF all earlier position than Hero. Hero limps as well. SB folds BB checks. Pot is 2200
Flop is A74 with two clubs. Player right of Hero bets 1200.
Hero stack is 11200. Bettors stack is 10800 and is standard TAG.
What should Hero do?

#2 - Bubble time in SnG. Blinds 200/400. Player in LP limps. Button limps. SB folds. Hero is BB and checks with A9d. Pot is 1400. Flop comes 796 with two diamonds. Hero is SS'd with 4200.

#3 - Same as #2 but flop is 9K8 with two diamonds.

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#1 bet agressively

#2 I would play it carefully, you would be on a good draw and top pair, so I would check/call to see the strenght of the oponent, if everythings went well on the turn, I would bet the pot, if it is not, depending on the stack size of the 2 oponents I would fould

#3 check/call a low bet and fold on turn if anything shoed up or fold to a high bet
 
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wetyeti said:
Thanks for the replies to my incomplete question. I find myself thinking trap here in a lot of situations and I dont think this is a good idea. Here are is some more useful info if y'all have some more time

#1 - Midway through MTT. Hero is in late position with ATc. Blinds 200/400
3 limpers PF all earlier position than Hero. Hero limps as well. SB folds BB checks. Pot is 2200
Flop is A74 with two clubs. Player right of Hero bets 1200.
Hero stack is 11200. Bettors stack is 10800 and is standard TAG.
What should Hero do?

#2 - Bubble time in SnG. Blinds 200/400. Player in LP limps. Button limps. SB folds. Hero is BB and checks with A9d. Pot is 1400. Flop comes 796 with two diamonds. Hero is SS'd with 4200.

#3 - Same as #2 but flop is 9K8 with two diamonds.

Thanks everyone
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1. Call
2. Push
3. Push
 
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wetyeti said:
Thanks for the replies to my incomplete question. I find myself thinking trap here in a lot of situations and I dont think this is a good idea. Here are is some more useful info if y'all have some more time

#1 - Midway through MTT. Hero is in late position with ATc. Blinds 200/400
3 limpers PF all earlier position than Hero. Hero limps as well. SB folds BB checks. Pot is 2200
Flop is A74 with two clubs. Player right of Hero bets 1200.
Hero stack is 11200. Bettors stack is 10800 and is standard TAG.
What should Hero do?

#2 - Bubble time in SnG. Blinds 200/400. Player in LP limps. Button limps. SB folds. Hero is BB and checks with A9d. Pot is 1400. Flop comes 796 with two diamonds. Hero is SS'd with 4200.

#3 - Same as #2 but flop is 9K8 with two diamonds.

Thanks everyone
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Sounds like your problem is limping too much. You have no real idea where you stand in any of the hands preflop because you never raised, your opponents depending on how tight they are can literally have anything.

1. Raise pre, shove postflop.

2. Shove preflop with two limpers, for that situation I'm shoving postflop.

3. Still shoving the flop, assuming a pair of kings we have 5 suck outs for trips/two pair and a flush draw.

Kinda tired while writing this... im going to bed :<

sleeeeeeeeeeeeeep :party:
 
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1. possible fold preflop but since ya said hero limps then, raise postflop.

2. push or bet half stack, either way willing to commit it all.

3. potsize bet then read opponent, likely going to commit based on info
 
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If I'm in a ring game I'm gonna try to get as much $ in the pot as possible.
 
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wetyeti said:
Thanks for the replies to my incomplete question. I find myself thinking trap here in a lot of situations and I dont think this is a good idea. Here are is some more useful info if y'all have some more time

#1 - Midway through MTT. Hero is in late position with ATc. Blinds 200/400
3 limpers PF all earlier position than Hero. Hero limps as well. SB folds BB checks. Pot is 2200
Flop is A74 with two clubs. Player right of Hero bets 1200.
Hero stack is 11200. Bettors stack is 10800 and is standard TAG.
What should Hero do?

#2 - Bubble time in SnG. Blinds 200/400. Player in LP limps. Button limps. SB folds. Hero is BB and checks with A9d. Pot is 1400. Flop comes 796 with two diamonds. Hero is SS'd with 4200.

#3 - Same as #2 but flop is 9K8 with two diamonds.

Thanks everyone
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1. Re-raise ready to commit.
2. Push
3. Push
 
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slowlly this is a big hand that you will get paid off of, dont scare them off the pot, bait them like a fish
 
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playerk7 said:
slowlly this is a big hand that you will get paid off of, dont scare them off the pot, bait them like a fish
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Which of the four hands are you referring to?
 
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Thanks for all the input. I dont think this is a great situation to be in and usually I should play it

1. Call
2. SHOVE
3. SHOVE

I get up trying to trap sometimes. Trapping with a pair and a draw isnt that lucrative but its a leak Im plugging.
Thanks everyone
 
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