Tired of losing need help

#1 October 20th, 2017, 2:12 PM

Sooo as you have read the title im tired of losing money... Everytime i've deposited I lost everything... That makes me tilt badly. But Insais to myself ok now its time to learn and not to blame... I blame "Pokerstars" for giving river card to the opponent when I have A/K suits and oppo has 4/4 turn goes 2/J/K turn 7 river 4... You get my point so yeahhh I would like to ask the community please post some e-books videos or something that helped you in your pokerlife! Thank you and Love you all ! ❤

#2 October 20th, 2017, 5:02 PM

Think the first step....is stop depositing. Try to work on your game and play freerolls and then add money added forum games. Have you tried reviewing your hands after you play, or posting hands in the forum, watching training videos, reading poker books, or getting a coach?

What you dont want to do is keep doing the same thing and expecting your results to change.

#3 October 20th, 2017, 7:43 PM

Originally Posted by domukasm

Sooo as you have read the title im tired of losing money... Everytime i've deposited I lost everything... That makes me tilt badly. But Insais to myself ok now its time to learn and not to blame... I blame "Pokerstars" for giving river card to the opponent when I have A/K suits and oppo has 4/4 turn goes 2/J/K turn 7 river 4... You get my point so yeahhh I would like to ask the community please post some e-books videos or something that helped you in your pokerlife! Thank you and Love you all ! ❤

First of all, change site if you feel like you are only losing at PokerStars. Make a fresh start somewhere else. I'm not getting into details why, but honestly, change site. At least give somewhere else a try and you might be surprised.

Once you have done that, stop tilting. Tilting is probably one of the biggest reasons why so many players eventually fail and keep losing, even though they would otherwise have the potential to be successful. I know the feeling when horrible bad beats happens, sometimes too many times in a row, but try your best not to tilt. After all, tilting is only a mental state and you CAN prevent that if you just keep breathing and telling yourself that tilting doesn't make things better. Quite the opposite actually because most of the time it just makes things worse. And believe me, I know what I'm talking about.

I really respect players who are able to look in the mirror and think that maybe the problem comes within themselves so it's great that you want to learn more about the game and become better at it. So, here are some of my favorites that has helped me a lot along the way:

BOOKS:
Phil Gordon's "Little Green Book"
Daniel Negreanu "Power Hold'em Strategy"

WEBSITES:
Gripsed gripsed.com
BlackRain79 blackrain79.com

Good luck!

#4 October 20th, 2017, 8:10 PM

try to learn your game better, and reading players is the key.

#5 October 20th, 2017, 8:23 PM

Originally Posted by admhi

try to learn your game better, and reading players is the key.

You know sometimes I just wonder why people like you even bother to answer if they have nothing to say. He IS trying to learn and that's why he is asking advices, books to read etc. He doesn't learn anything from advices like "reading players is the key" when you are not giving any information HOW to do that. I mean c'mon people, read the topic and question before giving useless advices. I'm sorry if this makes you upset but in these last few days I have read so many answers like this from all over this forum and can't take it anymore. Focus.

#6 October 20th, 2017, 8:29 PM

Originally Posted by domukasm

Sooo as you have read the title im tired of losing money... Everytime i've deposited I lost everything... That makes me tilt badly. But Insais to myself ok now its time to learn and not to blame... I blame "Pokerstars" for giving river card to the opponent when I have A/K suits and oppo has 4/4 turn goes 2/J/K turn 7 river 4... You get my point so yeahhh I would like to ask the community please post some e-books videos or something that helped you in your pokerlife! Thank you and Love you all !

From what you've said there do you find that you're losing a lot of coin flips? If so, are these flips you need to be taking or are you taking unnecessary risk for a quick reward?

If you find you're getting into a lot of positions where you have to go all in or fold then maybe check out an app called "shove fold" which can help you

#7 October 20th, 2017, 8:29 PM

Originally Posted by Thenightrain

From what you've said there do you find that you're losing a lot of coin flips? If so, are these flips you need to be taking or are you taking unnecessary risk for a quick reward?

If you find you're getting into a lot of positions where you have to go all in or fold then maybe check out an app called "shove fold" which can help you

Sorry - hit post.
...which can help you refine your shoving range and make sure you're getting your money in right.

#8 October 21st, 2017, 12:53 AM

Try to do a coaching and he would analyze your strengths and weaknesses, good luck.

#9 October 21st, 2017, 8:07 AM

Here everything is written correctly! In my experience, at pokerstars I play only freerolls and sit and go, there are a lot of rooms where I win and withdraw money, this is 888, a unibetpoker. But it's not enough to change the rum, you need to analyze your game, after losing, to look for your mistake, I often watch the streams of regular players online and the game of professional players. All the same, I won or not, I always play freerolls three four times a week, this is for me as a practice. Good luck at the tables!

#10 October 21st, 2017, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by Dani_California

First of all, change site if you feel like you are only losing at PokerStars. Make a fresh start somewhere else. I'm not getting into details why, but honestly, change site. At least give somewhere else a try and you might be surprised.

Once you have done that, stop tilting. Tilting is probably one of the biggest reasons why so many players eventually fail and keep losing, even though they would otherwise have the potential to be successful. I know the feeling when horrible bad beats happens, sometimes too many times in a row, but try your best not to tilt. After all, tilting is only a mental state and you CAN prevent that if you just keep breathing and telling yourself that tilting doesn't make things better. Quite the opposite actually because most of the time it just makes things worse. And believe me, I know what I'm talking about.

I really respect players who are able to look in the mirror and think that maybe the problem comes within themselves so it's great that you want to learn more about the game and become better at it. So, here are some of my favorites that has helped me a lot along the way:

BOOKS:
Phil Gordon's "Little Green Book"
Daniel Negreanu "Power Hold'em Strategy"

WEBSITES:
Gripsed gripsed.com
BlackRain79 blackrain79.com

Good luck!

Thank you. Im looking atm for a poker room I love PS because its so simple to use it... I tried 888 its kinda tricky to play for me... Yeah its hard to calm myself down when the oppo gets turn a card he needs... I will check out those books and sites when I get back home. Thank you again.

#11 October 21st, 2017, 3:57 PM

Books and videos help, but they will not replace the experience and analysis of their mistakes-never!!!!!!

#12 October 21st, 2017, 4:12 PM

Since yesterday I use a loss limit. When I start I check my bankroll and use a threshold of 75% of that, so when I buy in, I never cross that limit and when I cannot buy in anymore without crossing that limit, I stop and accept the losses of 25% max. It doesn't improve my game, on the other hand it prevents me from tilting for no reason the next game.

#13 October 21st, 2017, 4:58 PM

If you're playing poker just to win some money then forget about it because there are easier ways to do it. If you play because it's fun and you would also like to make something extra then start with freerolls.

I'm 100% sure you spend too much time playing and not enough studying the game. It's gambling approach and nowadays you will have better odds at winning by playing slots than grinding tables. It's the same as playing chess with your dad once a month and then you think you're good because you can beat him and decide to play for money at your local chess club.

#14 October 21st, 2017, 5:01 PM

Play free tournaments try to play on other poker sites do not just stay on 1 site

#15 October 21st, 2017, 5:37 PM

I also would suggest to start with freerolls and stop depositing for a while. Depositing is interesting, when you know you are a winning player and you want to achieve some bonusses with this.

I think there is no reason to blame a poker room for giving a poor player at the river his trips with his small pockets. It can happen at any room. Your example just shows that villain plays kinda fishy.

I guess books also depend on what kind of game you play.
Books from Harrington are kinda classics. Very nice to read.
But for tourneys I also liked this one:
The Poker Tournament Formula by Arnold Snyder
About videos I liked some from Splitsuit Sweeny, altough he is more a cash player. But I guess there are a lot more.
As I said, it depends what games you play.

GL at your tables.
=^..^=

#16 October 22nd, 2017, 2:11 PM

Originally Posted by oriole

If you're playing poker just to win some money then forget about it because there are easier ways to do it. If you play because it's fun and you would also like to make something extra then start with freerolls.

I'm 100% sure you spend too much time playing and not enough studying the game. It's gambling approach and nowadays you will have better odds at winning by playing slots than grinding tables. It's the same as playing chess with your dad once a month and then you think you're good because you can beat him and decide to play for money at your local chess club.

Thank you for the advice. Yeah atm I just dont have anything to do so I grind poker yeah its fun but when I cashed few times so it got me thinking maybe its possible to cash more... Its always fun to play poker but now I take it a more serious decision. What you wrote its true the more I grind the more I lose but now I made a promise to myself that I want to learn poker.

#17 October 22nd, 2017, 2:35 PM

Originally Posted by whiskers77

I also would suggest to start with freerolls and stop depositing for a while. Depositing is interesting, when you know you are a winning player and you want to achieve some bonusses with this.

I think there is no reason to blame a poker room for giving a poor player at the river his trips with his small pockets. It can happen at any room. Your example just shows that villain plays kinda fishy.

I guess books also depend on what kind of game you play.
Books from Harrington are kinda classics. Very nice to read.
But for tourneys I also liked this one:
The Poker Tournament Formula by Arnold Snyder
About videos I liked some from Splitsuit Sweeny, altough he is more a cash player. But I guess there are a lot more.
As I said, it depends what games you play.

GL at your tables.
=^..^=

Im a tournament player Tired of losing need help

still thank you going to check out that book.

#18 October 22nd, 2017, 4:31 PM

I would recommend reading Dan Harrington on Modern Tournament poker. Every time I take a break from playing poker and study the game instead I come back a better player.

#19 October 22nd, 2017, 4:48 PM

I like to read pokerschool online and the videos the quizzes help a lot if you haven't tried it just take a look around.

#20 October 22nd, 2017, 4:54 PM

Originally Posted by domukasm

Sooo as you have read the title im tired of losing money... Everytime i've deposited I lost everything... That makes me tilt badly. But Insais to myself ok now its time to learn and not to blame... I blame "Pokerstars" for giving river card to the opponent when I have A/K suits and oppo has 4/4 turn goes 2/J/K turn 7 river 4... You get my point so yeahhh I would like to ask the community please post some e-books videos or something that helped you in your pokerlife! Thank you and Love you all ! ❤

Read this book:

52 Great Poker Tips: At Home, at Tournament and Online by Lou Krieger

Buy online e-book rather than the real thing (cheaper) read it cover to cover, memorize every single tip and truly grasp what it means.

You will go from beginner to amateur literally from this book alone. You won't be pro yet though, that comes purely from practise and a couple other things.

#21 October 23rd, 2017, 7:39 PM

Just play the freerolls, so you stop losing your money.
Go play at 888 there are freerolls you can easily get to itm and start from there.

#22 October 25th, 2017, 10:42 AM

Find and practice online poker lessons on the forums, and play a lot
freerolls, and everything will turn out and you can win money in freerolls and play good expensive tournaments and cash games and get money, and not invest and lose!

#23 October 25th, 2017, 12:32 PM

Do you play Cash games or MTT?

I think that's important to know to start with. And the example you mention, that can happen all the time.

#24 October 25th, 2017, 1:16 PM

Originally Posted by domukasm

Sooo as you have read the title im tired of losing money... Everytime i've deposited I lost everything... That makes me tilt badly. But Insais to myself ok now its time to learn and not to blame... I blame "Pokerstars" for giving river card to the opponent when I have A/K suits and oppo has 4/4 turn goes 2/J/K turn 7 river 4... You get my point so yeahhh I would like to ask the community please post some e-books videos or something that helped you in your pokerlife! Thank you and Love you all ! ❤

HeyDomukasm..i feel you 100% because i was also loosing player at start of my poker ''career''.But first of all,let me do a a big parenthesis now:I had a big minus in my game for a very long period(something you mentioned also)..I was extremely tilted when i was loosing..I had tilting problem even when i started winning money for long period(after study and improve my game)...There were some very bad sessions that hurt my bankroll and i was doing the worst..i was tilting and i was burning ALL my bankroll in very big buy in Sngs,or even worst at casino!!!End of parenthesis so lets get to the point:
My opinion is that you need a break from playing in tables and you starting to study seriously the game..Start from beginning from simple stuff that you think you already know..you will find that many concepts that you think that you know,you dont know in depth such as the maths of game.Examples like pot odds,implied odds,reverse implied odds,combinations of hands,bet sizings etc etc)..There is a very good book about the simple maths of the game..''Poker Math that Matters by Owen Gaines''..i advice it 100%...In my opinion,Maths in Poker is the base that you will build your further knowledge of the game..
Now about Mtt,Cash or Sngs(i dont know which format you play) previous guys posted some good books..I dont know if there are outdated in 2017 but they give you a way of thinking..Personally i would advice you to enter in free poker training streams..
Pokerstrategy.com is a very good free site which offers almost daily training coachings in NL Cash,Mtts,Sngs,Omaha etc..Coaches are very good and answer in every question about how they played a hand etc.Twitch streams have also live sessions of professional players that show the way they play and its also helpfull..Also start to read articles there or here in Cardchat...Lastly start to post here hands that caused you problems and trying to find answers..'What i did wrong?'' or ''how would you play this hand''?Be active in forums and try to extract the most valuable information to improve your game.Ask whatever you dont understand..Its not a shame at all..If you real give an effort to study your game and remove tilting,you will see how much better you will doing at poker... Tired of losing need help

PS: During the study period,you can play all the possible freerolls to check the concepts you learn with no risk,and maybe you can build a small bankroll without deposit..I hope i helped Tired of losing need help

#25 October 25th, 2017, 8:12 PM

you should understand that only 5% of players play a profitable game, but even they have bad times. I advise you to find poker friends and learn together so that you become more effective

#26 November 3rd, 2017, 6:07 PM

The advice to stop depositing is very good. Once I stopped doing that, I noticed I took the game way more seriously, which allowed me to perform better and learn from my mistakes. I never had to deposit since then. I am currently a break even player, which is still a lot better than being a losing player.

Also, are you playing at the right stakes? Start with the lowest stakes and gradually move up as you improve. I wasted money playing on stakes that were clearly too high for me.

#27 November 3rd, 2017, 8:40 PM

Stop playing, you never lose again

#28 November 3rd, 2017, 8:43 PM

Make sure you are using good bankroll management, try to make your bankroll last by playing lots of smaller games. You can also try to just play freerolls to rebuild your bankroll before you venture into money games again. Good luck.

#29 November 3rd, 2017, 10:22 PM

Originally Posted by Dani_California

First of all, change site if you feel like you are only losing at PokerStars. Make a fresh start somewhere else. I'm not getting into details why,

BOOKS:
Phil Gordon's "Little Green Book"
Daniel Negreanu "Power Hold'em Strategy"

Say it isn't rigged...

I'd recommend OP to check out some books.. maybe even Little Green Book if they're completely new to the game. If they've played for a bit I'd consider something a bit more current & advanced.

#30 November 3rd, 2017, 11:04 PM

Originally Posted by Poker Orifice

Say it isn't rigged...

I'd recommend OP to check out some books.. maybe even Little Green Book if they're completely new to the game. If they've played for a bit I'd consider something a bit more current & advanced.

Rigged? No. I don't believe any poker site being rigged, not even PokerStars. They get their money from players even without cheating so why would they risk their whole business by doing something stupid? There are a lot of other reasons why it might be bad place to play. One of those reasons is that it is so filled with players that it's hard to get a good grip at that place. It's actually quite hard to play with bad players if the whole table is filled with nothing but clueless players who call way too much and play a game where you can't use ANY strategic plays. Then again, there are so many players that many of them are better than you and that's not good either. At least I have found a better balance somewhere else Tired of losing need help

You are right, Little Green Book is pretty simple and more of beginner's stuff but that gives a good basis to the game and how it should be played to become a winning player. I still read it from time to time again and again. What books would you recommend for more advanced stuff?

#31 November 3rd, 2017, 11:39 PM

My opinion is this: stop making deposits. Play freerrols, watch professional games and filter your mistakes. Even so, at some point or another you will lose. Do not bump into losses, just evaluate your mistakes and move on. After this, after analyzing your games well, re-deposit and play the buy in micro games. Good luck.

#32 November 4th, 2017, 1:41 AM

Stop depositing first, and do not blame poker rooms and try to improve your moves and the hands that you play

#33 November 4th, 2017, 1:50 AM

BlackRain79.com

That's all you need to know if you want to start winning at the micros. My advice?, put all other training sites and methods to one side and focus on Nathan Williams's stuff to start with. That should get the fundamentals down and get you on the path to a +Roi.

#34 November 5th, 2017, 8:09 AM

Originally Posted by Dani_California

...It's actually quite hard to play with bad players if the whole table is filled with nothing but clueless players who call way too much and play a game where you can't use ANY strategic plays. Then again, there are so many players that many of them are better than you and that's not good either...

That's right there are two player types I can't win:
1) bad players
2) good players
Tired of losing need help

#35 November 5th, 2017, 8:23 AM

Originally Posted by deyvsonflp

... watch professional games ...

Watch professional games only for fun.
Do not try to mimic their strategies !
If you do - you will only come to conclusion that bad players is hard to beat.
Truth is that against every skill level completely different strategies are effective.

#36 November 5th, 2017, 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by Fahrenheit451

That's right there are two player types I can't win:
1) bad players
2) good players
Tired of losing need help

Lol 😂 Not quite what I meant though but I believe you know that as well.
It's the table balance that matters. I want bad AND good players in my table to get the best out of it. Good players are the ones you can bluff and play actual poker with strategic plays, and bad players are your money makers as long as the whole table isn't filled with them crazies. Whole table with bad players isn't poker anymore, it's lottery.

#37 November 6th, 2017, 12:10 AM

as long as you have a temper... "tilt".... you have a problem. Work on your temper. There will be "fish, donks, idiots, whatever you want to call them," on EVERY level on EVERY site. Learn to identify when you're getting angry and stop playing. Sit out for 5 if you have to.Your anger gives the opponent their in on the money, if you can't stay calm, whatever you face, then you won't consistently win.

#38 November 7th, 2017, 3:41 AM

I realized that i lose mostly because of my mistakes, learn from your mistakes to avoid losing, read books, watch video,start slow and be cautioned

#39 April 8th, 2018, 8:53 PM

simple advice but oh so valuable. I can think back on all those times i would shove with air when i was on tilt and lose everything. can anybody relate?

#40 April 8th, 2018, 8:56 PM

i was responding justjeffs pst on tilting. Tilt is a killler

#41 April 11th, 2018, 10:47 PM

That was wrong at the beginning also always deposited and lost. Now only freerolls game and it takes to get money but then get get more opportunities to play better torneos.Ahora for example see YouTube video poker and have become addicted to learn more about this game. And honestly I'm seeing the results. The key is to find the bug, which I think you know, and correct it.

#42 August 21st, 2018, 3:16 PM

Originally Posted by Douglas Gonzaga

Try to do a coaching and he would analyze your strengths and weaknesses, good luck.

I need help finding a reliable coach. Links are recommendations please anyone! I love the game but I'm a break-even player I want to start making money

#43 August 21st, 2018, 3:29 PM

Originally Posted by rikoberto

HeyDomukasm..i feel you 100% because i was also loosing player at start of my poker ''career''.But first of all,let me do a a big parenthesis now:I had a big minus in my game for a very long period(something you mentioned also)..I was extremely tilted when i was loosing..I had tilting problem even when i started winning money for long period(after study and improve my game)...There were some very bad sessions that hurt my bankroll and i was doing the worst..i was tilting and i was burning ALL my bankroll in very big buy in Sngs,or even worst at casino!!!End of parenthesis so lets get to the point:
My opinion is that you need a break from playing in tables and you starting to study seriously the game..Start from beginning from simple stuff that you think you already know..you will find that many concepts that you think that you know,you dont know in depth such as the maths of game.Examples like pot odds,implied odds,reverse implied odds,combinations of hands,bet sizings etc etc)..There is a very good book about the simple maths of the game..''Poker Math that Matters by Owen Gaines''..i advice it 100%...In my opinion,Maths in Poker is the base that you will build your further knowledge of the game..
Now about Mtt,Cash or Sngs(i dont know which format you play) previous guys posted some good books..I dont know if there are outdated in 2017 but they give you a way of thinking..Personally i would advice you to enter in free poker training streams..
Pokerstrategy.com is a very good free site which offers almost daily training coachings in NL Cash,Mtts,Sngs,Omaha etc..Coaches are very good and answer in every question about how they played a hand etc.Twitch streams have also live sessions of professional players that show the way they play and its also helpfull..Also start to read articles there or here in Cardchat...Lastly start to post here hands that caused you problems and trying to find answers..'What i did wrong?'' or ''how would you play this hand''?Be active in forums and try to extract the most valuable information to improve your game.Ask whatever you dont understand..Its not a shame at all..If you real give an effort to study your game and remove tilting,you will see how much better you will doing at poker... Tired of losing need help

PS: During the study period,you can play all the possible freerolls to check the concepts you learn with no risk,and maybe you can build a small bankroll without deposit..I hope i helped Tired of losing need help

I've read multiple books and I'm currently reading The Mental Game of Poker from Jared Tendler. Great book. Also do you know of any coaches for reasonable prices I can't find them anywhere in Dallas Texas anyway. I know most of the math involved(needs improvement) pot odds, implied odds, hand ranges but when I'm in an actual big game I freeze and fold pocket tens(just an example) in cut off and stuff I should not be doing when I play.

#44 August 21st, 2018, 3:44 PM

The shove / fold app is great for me. I want to know if there is an app like that but tells/help's you after the flop. With the the percentages of relative of where you are how many people are in the pot and pot size. The other app is just calling all in or fold. What about calling a three bet and 1 caller and no shove preflop? Or with a certain hand and hitting mid pair or missing altogether? Is there some app to help you with those decisions?

#45 August 21st, 2018, 4:06 PM

I see alot of folks complain they get their good hands beat. and while the pros play, you dont see the river card every hand. I think if you have table respect, they might not always call your decent bets. I tried to start playing every game, like it counts. especially the freerolls. as others have stated..stop depositing and play the freerolls.

#46 September 21st, 2018, 12:42 AM

Did you have a bankroll management plan?
Are you playing a level above your ability right now? No shame, Im in Micros and low stakes.
Did you rebuy/start another when on tilt and played your B or C game?
Do you constantly look at how you played honestly and learn from it?
Maybe the style of game is not what your suited for? If playing Cash maybe MTT or SNG fits you better or vise versa.
There is no one answer. Could be many reasons. Thats why an honest look through your hand histories may help.

#47 September 21st, 2018, 1:24 AM

Try using sites such as https://raiseyouredge.com/ and watch the guys on twitch.com.

#48 September 21st, 2018, 1:29 AM

Originally Posted by domukasm

Sooo as you have read the title im tired of losing money... Everytime i've deposited I lost everything... That makes me tilt badly. But Insais to myself ok now its time to learn and not to blame... I blame "Pokerstars" for giving river card to the opponent when I have A/K suits and oppo has 4/4 turn goes 2/J/K turn 7 river 4... You get my point so yeahhh I would like to ask the community please post some e-books videos or something that helped you in your pokerlife! Thank you and Love you all ! ❤

Ok so the first red flag I read here is that you get tilted. I think it can be easy to get discouraged over tough luck or spots where you think you should of won but didn't and realize that is part of poker. Don't blame Pokerstars for the cards that were dealt. If you feel yourself getting frustrated then you need to take a break from the game to cool down and relax. When you start to play poker again make sure you are playing at levels where it is not so easy to lose all your money. You need to be playing at lower levels and build yourself up before you move on to the next level. If you notice you can't survive at the lowest levels then it is time to adjust your game. Read poker books, watch others play, and just keep practicing without risking your bankroll. Then when you feel like you are ready to try again give it another shot! Good luck!

#49 September 21st, 2018, 10:26 AM

Just another suggestion: Watch relevant streamers on twitch while you play freerolls and try to incorporate some things that they go through. Could also watch some poker vloggers like Andrew Neeme or Brad Owen

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