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I have been in a few tournaments recently where I have a smaller than average stack approaching the bubble and i just completely tighten up not playing any hands! Any help because this guarantees that I don't get really deep. :s

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Loosen up. Make more raises in late position. Remember others are just as scared. Take advantage play LAG and increase button steal attempts. Don't be passive. Don't be the person getting taken. Be the person doing the taking
 
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That being said don't be completley reckless. If your at a table of people not wanting to bubble then put the pressure on but becareful while doing it.
Just remember that to be a profitable MTT player you need to finish top 3 because thats where the biggest percentage of the prize pool is so don't just nit up and play scared you need to try to finish top 3 and not try to finish in the money.
 
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I remember once I had KK on the bubble, I played it wishing I had not, the majority of time I lose with the cowboys and on this day I did.

The next time I played like a nit till the bubble burst.

I would prefer to steal the blinds though as like Jblocher mentioned everyone will be in the same boat as you.

Be careful that you don't get bullied by a chip leader
 
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Should I play any looser than usual? And make my bet sizing larger?
 
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It's situational. As a simple example, let's say it's folded to you on the button. If the blinds are nits, you can bet with any two cards because they'll almost always fold. The more likely they are to defend, the more you'll want to have something at least half-decent and/or the more you need to be willing to try to outplay them post-flop.
 
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theres no need to make your bets larger IMO the same 2.5x/3x bet will do the same thing. don't play crazy loose out of posistion open up a little more from posistion but make sure you have post flop potential cards though.. suited connectors PP don't try stealing with 3-8 off and stuff too often its going to burn you more then its going to help you.
Heres a video with Daniel Negranu on bubble play
 
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lots of good advice there!! play the bubble hard to steal the blinds!! like they said, everyone is feeling the bubble squeeze!! good luck on the tables!!!
 
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I remember once I had KK on the bubble, I played it wishing I had not, the majority of time I lose with the cowboys and on this day I did.
What did you lose to?

I mean... you do have to realize that KK isn't bulletproof, but it's not a horrible hand either. It's just more of a preflop play hand -- if an Ace pops into the board you're dead a lot, but if there's no Ace (2/3 of the time there won't be) you're usually good.

@OP, pay attention to the gameflow in your table. If you see everyone around you nitting up start stealing a ton. If your table's loose or there's someone on your right that likes restealing a ton, just tighten up.
 
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Awesome thank you all so much!! Now let's hope I can reach that stage again! :)
 
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All good advice...what I haven't seen mentioned is to be very aware of the other stack sizes. In particular, if you have a player with a sizable stack, be very careful betting into him. A lot of big-stacks will re-raise you with just about any two cards.

There are other variables, too. If you feel like you can still be in striking distance of the top by folding your way into the money, don't do anything foolish. Get into the money and then restart your game.
 
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What did you lose to?

I mean... you do have to realize that KK isn't bulletproof, but it's not a horrible hand either. It's just more of a preflop play hand -- if an Ace pops into the board you're dead a lot, but if there's no Ace (2/3 of the time there won't be) you're usually good.

@OP, pay attention to the gameflow in your table. If you see everyone around you nitting up start stealing a ton. If your table's loose or there's someone on your right that likes restealing a ton, just tighten up.

He was holding AA and a A was on the flop, he raised to the total of my chips and I thought he was just bullying me and bluffin so I called. Kicked myself after that :D
 
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All good advice...what I haven't seen mentioned is to be very aware of the other stack sizes. In particular, if you have a player with a sizable stack, be very careful betting into him. A lot of big-stacks will re-raise you with just about any two cards.

There are other variables, too. If you feel like you can still be in striking distance of the top by folding your way into the money, don't do anything foolish. Get into the money and then restart your game.

Be careful that you don't get bullied by a chip leader

I mentioned to be careful about the chip leader meaning stack sizes as this person will probably bully him by re-raising him so he can't steal the blinds.
 
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loosen up (just a bit), and take advantage of steal oppertunities long before bubble play, you dont want to be small stack then cuz you will be called with any2cards by bigstacks
I used to always try and fold to the money, until the good ppl here finally made me realize its better to bubble many games cuz 1 of the games will get you a much bigger stack to take you deep enough to get a payout thats actually worth something! meaning dont play for min payout- all or nothing!!
 
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Approaching the bubble in a freeroll now, will take all the advice and report back as to how I do!
 
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Good advice here in topic. I usually look at opponents stacks and try playing against same stacks. Don't know is it right lol but I need learn more about it.
 
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Fell just short of the money, my trip jacks (from pocket pair) lost to trip kings (from pocket pair) for a large pot
 
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If the cards are rotten, never think that coasting into the money is not the better option. In bigger tourney's, coasting up the pay ladder is normal. You often can wait for the better opportunities, you often should wait for them.

I can remember more wins (or big cashes) where I cleared the bubble in bottom place, than I can where I went into the bubble in first place and managed to hold on to it.

There is a thing that happens in big tourneys where right after the bubble burst looks a lot like the very first few orbits of the tourney. At the beginning a lot of players are hell bent to build a stack fast, and in the process either bust, or bust many others out. Right after the bubble bursts, a lot of players are so happy to have made the money, and are pressed for time, that they make really agro moves, and die, with smiles on their faces. So often that first ladder rung goes pretty fast and by doing nothing, you make another rung, then another, up the ladder you go till you finally get that premier opportunity you've been waiting for.
 
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I remember once I had KK on the bubble, I played it wishing I had not, the majority of time I lose with the cowboys and on this day I did.

The next time I played like a nit till the bubble burst.

I would prefer to steal the blinds though as like Jblocher mentioned everyone will be in the same boat as you.

Be careful that you don't get bullied by a chip leader

give me kk on the bubble everytime and i would love it....i used to play the bubble tight, but now i take advantage of all the min casher players and loosen up big time...especially if you have a medium stack, its a good time to chip up...if you have a small stack like 10 bigs or less then you need to be more selective obv, but in general play to win....never play just to min cash....change gears and rip it up
 
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I have been in a few tournaments recently where I have a smaller than average stack approaching the bubble and i just completely tighten up not playing any hands! Any help because this guarantees that I don't get really deep. :s

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nothing to say but

"PLAY TO WIN"

"IF YOU WANT TO SURVIVAL THROUGH BUBBLE, YOU ARE WILLING TO BE KNOCKED OUT TO BECOME BUBBLE"

:D:D:D
 
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He was holding AA and a A was on the flop, he raised to the total of my chips and I thought he was just bullying me and bluffin so I called. Kicked myself after that :D
Running into top set is always a ridiculous massive cooler, but whether you should call depends on stacks and reads (namely, you have to ask yourself: Is he capable of shoving with 2nd pair or worse? How often? What are my odds to call?). But as a rule of thumb: If he has less than a pot bet behind OTF, it's going in and you should usually call unless he's a nit. If he made a ridiculous overshove, you should usually fold because you're beat a ton and don't have to be beat that often to lose out.
 
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Awesome cheers :) Didn't think that people wouldn't enjoy getting JJ!!
lol oh no not JJ is my thread =) I hated it then and I hate it now especially around bubble play its like the poker gods want you to be the bubble boy/girl
 
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