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I remember reading PattyR's thread asking for some advice regarding cash games. Some of the advice was that he should pick more spots to three bet, but not to go "3 bet crazy".

Is there a certain percentage you should be 3 betting? I think I read in a thread it was suggested to be around something like 5%? Is that accurate?

After 4k hands or so my 3 bet percentage is only around like 1.1%.
Does that mean I should definitely be picking more spots to 3 bet? How might I recognize those spots?
 
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That means you're only 3betting with AA, KK, AK. You'll probably be fine at lower stakes with a super narrow, 100% value 3bet range, since lots of players simple don't notice or care.

As you move up however, your 3bet simply won't get action, and you'dbe better off never 3betting since at least that way your hand isn't face up.

Players however want to build as large a pot as possible with their premium hands. This is why they open up their 3betting range. By choosing other hands that are not as premium, knowledgeable players will understand you can't always have a great hand, and hopefully will end up giving you action on a premium holding.
 
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you shoud be 3 betting way lighter at micros against lagtard for value. try playing a game pre flop where you dont call ever, you 3 bet or fold.
 
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3 betting is a very weak way of betting now... In cash games if I hit a nice hand in position with a couple of limper's be hide me... I raise it 4 x plus 1 x per limper....

So lets say ... Blinds are $1/$2 .... with 2 limpers be hide me... I would bet

4 x $2 = $8
2 x $2 = $4

Total = $12

Seems to kill a lot of fish out of the pots... Trying to minimize the chances of being suck out on!
 
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sharkyo01 said:
3 betting is a very weak way of betting now... In cash games if I hit a nice hand in position with a couple of limper's be hide me... I raise it 4 x plus 1 x per limper....

So lets say ... Blinds are $1/$2 .... with 2 limpers be hide me... I would bet

4 x $2 = $8
2 x $2 = $4

Total = $12

Seems to kill a lot of fish out of the pots... Trying to minimize the chances of being suck out on!
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your post makes little sense to the question?
 
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I am not an expert

With that said,I three bet with two real resons in mind..

1) of course three bet with monster hands like QQ,KK,AA,AK

2)Alot of people miss this point and something my mentor works on me with alot..It first starts by watching the tables and picking a victom out that you think is weak and then waiting for that oppurtny to 3 bet him/her and to get it heads up in this situation you do not need AA or KK to three bet because the objective is get them heads up in a pot with a weak player..I will go as low as 10J suited,KQ suited ,Aq suited as you can see I am not playing supior hands just picking on one person who I feel raises with weak aces out postion and think I can out play them and take it from them even if I miss the flop..
now i do use % to say i should three bet this # of times because it comes down to when the situation is right and soemtimes you have to wait a long time to gwet that fish on the line..
 
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Grinder said:
With that said,I three bet with two real resons in mind..

1) of course three bet with monster hands like QQ,KK,AA,AK

2)Alot of people miss this point and something my mentor works on me with alot..It first starts by watching the tables and picking a victom out that you think is weak and then waiting for that oppurtny to 3 bet him/her and to get it heads up in this situation you do not need AA or KK to three bet because the objective is get them heads up in a pot with a weak player..I will go as low as 10J suited,KQ suited ,Aq suited as you can see I am not playing supior hands just picking on one person who I feel raises with weak aces out postion and think I can out play them and take it from them even if I miss the flop..
now i do use % to say i should three bet this # of times because it comes down to when the situation is right and soemtimes you have to wait a long time to gwet that fish on the line..
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yea 3 bet to isolate the fishies
 
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sharkyo01 said:
3 betting is a very weak way of betting now... In cash games if I hit a nice hand in position with a couple of limper's be hide me... I raise it 4 x plus 1 x per limper....

So lets say ... Blinds are $1/$2 .... with 2 limpers be hide me... I would bet

4 x $2 = $8
2 x $2 = $4

Total = $12

Seems to kill a lot of fish out of the pots... Trying to minimize the chances of being suck out on!
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Umm.. what does this have to do with OP's question.... what does this statement have to do with 3-betting? How is 3-betting a very weak way of betting?? What is 3-betting???
 
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Grinder said:
With that said,I three bet with two real resons in mind..

1) of course three bet with monster hands like QQ,KK,AA,AK

2)Alot of people miss this point and something my mentor works on me with alot..It first starts by watching the tables and picking a victom out that you think is weak and then waiting for that oppurtny to 3 bet him/her and to get it heads up in this situation you do not need AA or KK to three bet because the objective is get them heads up in a pot with a weak player..I will go as low as 10J suited,KQ suited ,Aq suited as you can see I am not playing supior hands just picking on one person who I feel raises with weak aces out postion and think I can out play them and take it from them even if I miss the flop..
now i do use % to say i should three bet this # of times because it comes down to when the situation is right and soemtimes you have to wait a long time to gwet that fish on the line..
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good advice!!
 
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Three betting is well over used... And is a very weak way of play... A lot players on micro and low stakes poker call 3 bets without a blink with anything... That my point!! Hence why we hear about some many suckouts!

Maybe i should point the out... that advice come off a pro who has write an eBook. "Cash Game Killer" .... Worth a read...
 
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Grinder said:
I will go as low as 10J suited,KQ suited ,Aq suited
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You should try changing this part of your range. Instead of playing hands like KQ or AQ, use 76s/65s. The problem with KQ/AQ is when someone does decide to play the 3bet pot with you, they can easily have your hand in trouble. KQ more than AQ, but the reason for excluding AQ I'll touch in a second.

With a hand like 76/65 you have something else going for you. After 3betting, people generally estimate your range as being very tight and very strong, including lots of big aces, big pairs. When you have these middle suited cards, the flop comes A x x, you can rep that ace so well. Whether or not you have it doesn't really matter, because villain will almost always give you credit for it. Also, when the flop comes with you flopping great, be it trips, two pair, or a strong draw, they aren't really going to think you connected on that board, so you might end up stacking someone with an overpair who "knows" you're sitting there with AK trying to bluff them.

Then after showing down a hand where you 3bet with 65s, most villains are going to think, omg this guy 3bets with any two! So now when you 3bet with the value portion of your range, you've gained equity from the extra action you'll receive due to 3betting with SC's.
 
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sharkyo01 said:
Three betting is well over used... And is a very weak way of play... A lot players on micro and low stakes poker call 3 bets without a blink with anything... That my point!! Hence why we hear about some many suckouts!

Maybe i should point the out... that advice come off a pro who has write an eBook. "Cash Game Killer" .... Worth a read...
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You're confused by the terminology. You're referring to preflop raise size (3x, 4x, etc.). 3betting referrs to reraiseing someone who has opened with a bet. So you raise to $8 in your 200nl game and I reraise to $25. My bet is called a 3bet.

As to the OPs question; you should be opening up your value 3betting range but not really adding a bluff 3bet range at micro stakes.
 
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Mase31683 said:
You should try changing this part of your range. Instead of playing hands like KQ or AQ, use 76s/65s. The problem with KQ/AQ is when someone does decide to play the 3bet pot with you, they can easily have your hand in trouble. KQ more than AQ, but the reason for excluding AQ I'll touch in a second.

With a hand like 76/65 you have something else going for you. After 3betting, people generally estimate your range as being very tight and very strong, including lots of big aces, big pairs. When you have these middle suited cards, the flop comes A x x, you can rep that ace so well. Whether or not you have it doesn't really matter, because villain will almost always give you credit for it. Also, when the flop comes with you flopping great, be it trips, two pair, or a strong draw, they aren't really going to think you connected on that board, so you might end up stacking someone with an overpair who "knows" you're sitting there with AK trying to bluff them.

Then after showing down a hand where you 3bet with 65s, most villains are going to think, omg this guy 3bets with any two! So now when you 3bet with the value portion of your range, you've gained equity from the extra action you'll receive due to 3betting with SC's.
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wow, this makes a lot of sense to me. i cant wait till i can move up from the micros so i can start playin like this. seems to me you cant try anything tricky down there and u just have to play solid ABC to make anything but thats getting a little boring. im winning down there so its only a matter of time....
 
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Mase31683 said:
You should try changing this part of your range. Instead of playing hands like KQ or AQ, use 76s/65s. The problem with KQ/AQ is when someone does decide to play the 3bet pot with you, they can easily have your hand in trouble. KQ more than AQ, but the reason for excluding AQ I'll touch in a second.

With a hand like 76/65 you have something else going for you. After 3betting, people generally estimate your range as being very tight and very strong, including lots of big aces, big pairs. When you have these middle suited cards, the flop comes A x x, you can rep that ace so well. Whether or not you have it doesn't really matter, because villain will almost always give you credit for it. Also, when the flop comes with you flopping great, be it trips, two pair, or a strong draw, they aren't really going to think you connected on that board, so you might end up stacking someone with an overpair who "knows" you're sitting there with AK trying to bluff them.

Then after showing down a hand where you 3bet with 65s, most villains are going to think, omg this guy 3bets with any two! So now when you 3bet with the value portion of your range, you've gained equity from the extra action you'll receive due to 3betting with SC's.
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I do agree with you but at this point in my game that is alittle to far advance for me that is something I can work on to add a 3rd reason to 3 bet is to set them up for later rounds which I do but not by using a 3 bet more by playing a few lose calls and that does the same thing for me right now..But great advice for me and others i think!!
 
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