Originally Posted by Campbell92
and so, you still don't make a strong enough hand with suited connectors that you can value bet for stacks against the ultimate station..
and fold equity is the main thing that makes suited connectors profitable, if we don't have that then we really can't be playing them too much.
I understand your reasoning, and yes, playing 78 suited doesn't fit into the cardrunners cookie cutter ABC poker strategy
, which is the best way to beat the micros, but I still think there is at least a time and a place.
Looking through my old Pokerstars
cash game stats, I have played 78 suited around 300 times to a profit of $15. PTR says I played it 131 times to $30 something but that isn't right. That sample is around 350K hands. It isn't much, and clearly I haven't played it often at all, but there is profit there. Most of the hands were at 2nl and 5nl, so it is like 3-7.5 BI's.
Now, compare that to a hand like JJ, which I have played over a thousand times to around $300 profit. Clearly, usually when I looked down at 78 suited, it hits the muck immediately, but there is a time and a place, IMO.
Doesn't the fact that I have played this hand profitably justify that? OR should I be raising it or folding everytime? I just like to play family pots I guess. I wouldn't like to raise it, because I think the people at those stakes would call, and as when they call I am almost always behind, I just don't want to do it. If I fold, I just slowly lose tiny amounts, and over the course of this sample it probably would add up to like -$1 at least. I would rather be up $15 than down $1 or likely more.
Is this reasoning completely flawed? Should I be raising and narrowing the field and trying to take someones stack? Or should I just fold? I guess I just do what I do because it works. Maybe I am stuck in a delusional state tho.
I'm talking about cash games, btw. If this conversation was about SNGs or HU tables, I would play completely different, and the cards probably wouldn't be that big of a factor.